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11-22-2005, 05:15 PM | #762 | ||
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Oh yeah. Hee. (Well, it's possible I didn't read that far into the articles.) I wasn't saying they weren't mentioned at all, just less than gays and lesbians.
Spock, there's already a thread on homosexual marriage? I do seem to vaguely recall a thread like that. IIRC the original poster wanted us to lay off talking about that subject here. Personally I feel it is appropriate to talk about gay marriage in this thread, but the OP did have a point.
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11-22-2005, 05:18 PM | #763 |
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spock [what's with the bolded name thing btw? ] is just fulfilling contractual obligations to say "try to keep the reply posts on subject" at least once per week
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11-22-2005, 05:27 PM | #764 |
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I've no control over the bolded name.
it was my understanding that all mods, and admins were supposed to have bolded names from the get go..in my case it took longer Nor, it seems, do I in curbing wandering posts.
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You're name is bolded now though Spock. So, no posting on gay marriage here? Alrightee. I'll go bump the other thread. And now for something on topic... Inked, what do you think about my earlier comments that much of our society is built on anomalies? I think that accepting gay relationships is yet another positive anomaly that will strengthen the fabric of society.
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[OT]I know they didn't do it right away, but now your username is in bold.[/OT]
I bumped the other thread. Did anyone read the Xtra West article? Lotesse, would you care to carry on our discussion about sexism and the acceptance of non-straight relationships in modern Western society? Anyone else is free to join in of course.
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My input on bisexuality... hm. I don't really have much of one, to tell you the truth. It's not like I don't care about bisexual people, I just don't really have an opinion. Of course most, if not all of my opinions about gay and lesbian people are about the rights I believe they should have. I think bisexual people deserve those same rights, which would be the same ones as straight people.
Human rights are for all human beings.
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11-23-2005, 01:16 PM | #772 |
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....that is exactly what "Data's" delema was.
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Data from Star Trek? That reminds me of an interesting question my second year biology prof put to us once.
She said that by the definitions of a living organism, robots are alive. She pointed out that they protect themselves from harm, obtain energy, regulate their internal temperature, and a few other conditions to being alive which I'm pretty sure included making other robots. Isn't science fiction awesome? And if Data were a live, sentient being, should he have the same rights as human beings or not? This issue is one we obviously do not yet have to tackle. (I just want to point out I don't think gay people are robots. )
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It is absolutely obvious that morality may or may not prescribe a different course of action according to personal circumstances such as indigestion and headaches and the situation on which the moral judgement is called. Last edited by The Wizard from Milan : 11-24-2005 at 04:15 PM. |
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must be the oddest most pointless definition of any concept of morality i ever heard then ... Last edited by Butterbeer : 11-24-2005 at 05:21 PM. |
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i think you confuse morality with volition ...
if one has a certain moral view, having a headache does not alter this ... if one, for the sake of argument beleives abortion is morally justifibale ... waking up one day with a headache does not mean morally that they can then morally suddenly take the view it is wrong .... without utlimately changing their moral viewpoint ... personal morality is not a pin ball machine .... in terms of sexuality one may be gay, straight, bisexual or any shade of gray in between, and by volition in certain moods experiment with these shades of grey to any larger or lesser degree .... but whatever one's volition here, if one feels rightly or wrongly that this experimentation is morally wrong, despite the desire to experiment, the principle of morality stands aside as a seperate concept from volition. to compare people's morality and quite often firmly held beleif's (be they agreeable to you, or to me, or not) with the transitory nature of headaches or indigestion or whims of mood, is frankly a flagrantly insulting thing to do, whether that was your intent or not ... your use of the word "morality" is not to me justifiable in any sense of the word as i understand it, if it is so flighty or mood-driven or fancifully flighty ... therefore i wonder if you mean volition rather than morality? ... because i'll lay you 25-1 against that you could not win such an argument in the context you put it ... best BB *starts running an "amoral" ?? book - any takers?* |
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I meant exactly what I wrote. Sorry if you are offended but I stand by waht I said. The point though is more subtle than what you understood. My morality is by definition moral and therefore not fanciful; nonetheless it may be in part influenced by my status in the instant. To have a set of ten rules written in stone and immutable certainly simplifies life, but it is not the gateway to morality. Morality is an issue of judgement; I trust my own moral judgements and nobody else's. This is the key that people don't seem to grasp; I have no doubt that other people's judgment can be fanciful or wimsical; it is my own moral judgment that I trust. I know that whatever my status is I will do (or strive to do) the right thing; it is just the the actual thing that I do might be dependent on my status. Last edited by The Wizard from Milan : 11-25-2005 at 10:44 AM. |
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oh frig, just LOST that whole post -- maybe it's just as well - it was getting pretty vitrilolic indeed: maybe defining LWFM as Satan might have being going too far???
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what is so subtle and so far above my grasp, prey? what can only the ALL omnipotent all powerful mind of the moral master himslef LWFM state that no mere mortal can possibly understand because it is so subtle? That you do not understand the word morality and its definition? ...anyway, before i set off again and lose it again ... Last edited by Spock : 11-25-2005 at 12:18 PM. Reason: language/flaming |
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I should have probably written "The point is more subtle than I managed to communicate to you". I did not write, nor did I mean "it is above your grasp"; I meant only that we did not seem to be talking about the same thing. Some points just are subtle and difficult to communicate, that's all. And there is no point discussing them unless the two parties understand what the other means. There was another sentence in my post to which you don't refer, but that others might have found objectionable, so I edited it away. I don't see my own mind as all powerful at all; it has all the limitations of the human species, I guarantee you. That is sufficient for me to say that my moral sentiment (although very advanced) is not definite, not set in stone, but always subject to improvement. Yet it is the best that I have ever found. People who are used to think that the morality comes from a God, often misinterpret my statments as saying that I rival with an imagined God for morality. NOT AT ALL. I believe that morality comes from humans and is therefore fallible. In particular I known mine and I know it is very strong. Last edited by Spock : 11-25-2005 at 12:17 PM. Reason: language |
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