05-28-2003, 06:43 PM | #741 |
Banned
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: I have no idea.
Posts: 5,441
|
He actually admitted that he only recently read the book, for the first time if I recall.
|
05-28-2003, 06:49 PM | #742 | |
I am Freddie/UNDERCOVER/ Founder of The Great Continent of Entmoot
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Plainsboro, NJ
Posts: 9,431
|
Quote:
__________________
Come back! Come back! To Mordor we will take you! "The only thing better than a great plan is implementing a great plan" - JerseyDevil "If everyone agreed with me all the time, everything would be just fine"- JerseyDevil AboutNewJersey.com New Jersey MessageBoard Another Tolkien Forum Memorial to the Twin Towers New Jersey Map Fellowship of the Messageboard Legend of the Jersey Devil Support New Jersey's Liberty Tower Peacefire.org AboutNewJersey.com - New Jersey Travel and Tourism Guide |
|
05-28-2003, 07:43 PM | #743 |
Elven Warrior
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: NEW JERSEY!
Posts: 375
|
10 times lotr 6 hobbit 3 sim
__________________
Woah Deep |
05-28-2003, 09:11 PM | #744 |
Long lost mooter
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Florida
Posts: 3,342
|
JD, didn't you see the "Jackson Improved on Tolkien" thread? It was opened by BB and closed after much angry debate. I think if you want to read BB's view on that matter, you should look in that thread. I think going into that here aside from comments made to support argument on the topic at hand would result in too much of a departure from the topic, and it would end up in a flame war that would result in the thread being closed. I happen to think this topic is interesting to people and is worth keeping open if possible. I'm just afraid if we "go there" again, we won't be able to keep it open.
|
05-28-2003, 09:21 PM | #745 | |
I am Freddie/UNDERCOVER/ Founder of The Great Continent of Entmoot
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Plainsboro, NJ
Posts: 9,431
|
Quote:
__________________
Come back! Come back! To Mordor we will take you! "The only thing better than a great plan is implementing a great plan" - JerseyDevil "If everyone agreed with me all the time, everything would be just fine"- JerseyDevil AboutNewJersey.com New Jersey MessageBoard Another Tolkien Forum Memorial to the Twin Towers New Jersey Map Fellowship of the Messageboard Legend of the Jersey Devil Support New Jersey's Liberty Tower Peacefire.org AboutNewJersey.com - New Jersey Travel and Tourism Guide |
|
05-28-2003, 09:26 PM | #746 |
Long lost mooter
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Florida
Posts: 3,342
|
Okay, point taken.
But I'm sure if you have time you'd find that thread...let's just say very interesting. |
05-28-2003, 09:43 PM | #747 | |
I am Freddie/UNDERCOVER/ Founder of The Great Continent of Entmoot
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Plainsboro, NJ
Posts: 9,431
|
Quote:
__________________
Come back! Come back! To Mordor we will take you! "The only thing better than a great plan is implementing a great plan" - JerseyDevil "If everyone agreed with me all the time, everything would be just fine"- JerseyDevil AboutNewJersey.com New Jersey MessageBoard Another Tolkien Forum Memorial to the Twin Towers New Jersey Map Fellowship of the Messageboard Legend of the Jersey Devil Support New Jersey's Liberty Tower Peacefire.org AboutNewJersey.com - New Jersey Travel and Tourism Guide |
|
05-28-2003, 09:45 PM | #748 |
Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA
Posts: 10,820
|
Let's just skip the reading, shall we?
-casts Blood Boil on JD-
__________________
Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle |
05-28-2003, 10:00 PM | #749 | |
Long lost mooter
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Florida
Posts: 3,342
|
Quote:
|
|
05-28-2003, 10:14 PM | #750 |
Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA
Posts: 10,820
|
Hmm....
-using imagination to formulate JD's responses- My GOODNESS, jerseydevil, I never knew you used such language! And so creatively, too!
__________________
Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle |
05-31-2003, 07:59 AM | #751 |
Lurker
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Lothlórien
Posts: 3,419
|
Goodness, this thread has fizzled without me!
How about we all stay on topic, shall we? BB, I'd be obliged if you posted one of your patented infuriating garbage posts, to start the debate again.
__________________
There's antimony, arsenic, aluminum, selenium... |
05-31-2003, 10:18 AM | #752 | |
Banned
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: I have no idea.
Posts: 5,441
|
Quote:
|
|
06-01-2003, 10:49 AM | #753 | |
Elf Lord
Join Date: Sep 2002
Posts: 828
|
Quote:
Peter Jackson has been able to capture the magic and all of the important themes of Lord of the Rings while giving the story a stronger sense of tension, tighter pacing, increased drama, while also expanding upon the themes of self-sacrificing friendship. This has been a truly remarkable achievement by any measure...and the most exciting thing is: the best film of the trilogy is yet to come! Thanks to PJ, my Lord of the Rings has become even MORE rich and MORE wonderful than it has been before the new films came out (I never thought it possible.) Beyond the books themselves, my new Lord of the Rings includes: ---The hauntingly beautiful music of Middle-Earth (ala Howard Shore). ---The wonderful scene between the dying Boromir and Aragorn, ---The incredible debate between Gollum and Smeagol, ---One of those special movie moments in Rivendell when Elrond tells Gandalf, "the ring cannot stay here." ---Gandalf's advice to Frodo in Moria. ---The broken stone staircase. ---The breathtaking view of Eowyn in Edora framed against the White Mountains. ---A deeper appreciation of the love between Aragorn and Arwen. ---A feeling that there actually existed a tower of Orthanc and that it looked EXACTLY like Alan Lee's film version. ---Merry and Pippen luring the orcs away from Frodo. ---That Gandalf and company came to the aid of Helm's Deep from the east rather than the west as previously reported by Tolkien. I could go on and on... These movies are so good that they are evolving the modern mythology that is Lord of the Rings. If Tolkien purists were honest, THAT is the real reason why they are not embracing these movies like everyone else. They fear that, just like the many tellings of the Camelot story, this particular telling of the tale is so good and so compelling that it will leave its own permanent stamp on the mythology (the way people think about the story). LOTR is not just Tolkien's tale anymore....and THAT, my friends, is the real motivation behind the vicious attacks on these brilliant movies. |
|
06-01-2003, 11:12 AM | #754 | |||
I am Freddie/UNDERCOVER/ Founder of The Great Continent of Entmoot
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Plainsboro, NJ
Posts: 9,431
|
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
__________________
Come back! Come back! To Mordor we will take you! "The only thing better than a great plan is implementing a great plan" - JerseyDevil "If everyone agreed with me all the time, everything would be just fine"- JerseyDevil AboutNewJersey.com New Jersey MessageBoard Another Tolkien Forum Memorial to the Twin Towers New Jersey Map Fellowship of the Messageboard Legend of the Jersey Devil Support New Jersey's Liberty Tower Peacefire.org AboutNewJersey.com - New Jersey Travel and Tourism Guide Last edited by jerseydevil : 06-01-2003 at 11:22 AM. |
|||
06-01-2003, 11:27 AM | #755 | |
Elf Lord
Join Date: Sep 2002
Posts: 828
|
Quote:
|
|
06-01-2003, 12:16 PM | #756 | |
I am Freddie/UNDERCOVER/ Founder of The Great Continent of Entmoot
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Plainsboro, NJ
Posts: 9,431
|
Quote:
__________________
Come back! Come back! To Mordor we will take you! "The only thing better than a great plan is implementing a great plan" - JerseyDevil "If everyone agreed with me all the time, everything would be just fine"- JerseyDevil AboutNewJersey.com New Jersey MessageBoard Another Tolkien Forum Memorial to the Twin Towers New Jersey Map Fellowship of the Messageboard Legend of the Jersey Devil Support New Jersey's Liberty Tower Peacefire.org AboutNewJersey.com - New Jersey Travel and Tourism Guide |
|
06-01-2003, 12:22 PM | #757 | |
Banned
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: I have no idea.
Posts: 5,441
|
Quote:
EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!! ! First of all... if I had a 13 year old daughter, she would have the intelligence to know that the movie was a failure in it's attempt to represent a great masterpiece. She would know that the BOOK represents the true tale, as it was told by the master himself. She would know that the characters in the film are NOTHING like the master had envisioned!!! That the movie is an ABOMINATION!!! ........*struggles with self to keep from flaming* ......... UNLESS SHE WAS A [edited] MORON!!!! |
|
06-01-2003, 01:39 PM | #758 |
Elf Lord
Join Date: Sep 2002
Posts: 828
|
Thanks to jerseydevil and Ruinel for illustrating my point. The mere thought that future generations may actually come to the books after viewing the films drives you Purists mad. Instead of appreciating both, you guys have to make it a damn competition.
Real fans of the story will take heart in the fact that Jackson's films will keep Tolkien's treasure from falling into obscurity in our increasingly video-oriented society. I want both to be around for a looooong time. |
06-01-2003, 01:57 PM | #759 | ||
I am Freddie/UNDERCOVER/ Founder of The Great Continent of Entmoot
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Plainsboro, NJ
Posts: 9,431
|
Quote:
Jackson's movies are Hollywood crap. He used every Hollywood cliche in the movies. He turned them into action movies. They are not Lord of the Rings and will not withstand the test of time - like the books have. Quote:
Tolkien was doing VERY well without the movies - so I don't see where you think they would have gone into obscurity. Hopefully some day a director worthy of putting Lord of the Rings on the screen will come a long - Jackson was NOT that director - as I had hoped.
__________________
Come back! Come back! To Mordor we will take you! "The only thing better than a great plan is implementing a great plan" - JerseyDevil "If everyone agreed with me all the time, everything would be just fine"- JerseyDevil AboutNewJersey.com New Jersey MessageBoard Another Tolkien Forum Memorial to the Twin Towers New Jersey Map Fellowship of the Messageboard Legend of the Jersey Devil Support New Jersey's Liberty Tower Peacefire.org AboutNewJersey.com - New Jersey Travel and Tourism Guide |
||
06-01-2003, 01:59 PM | #760 | |
Banned
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: I have no idea.
Posts: 5,441
|
Quote:
Tolkien's masterpieces were NEVER falling into obscurity. That notion is only based upon your own experience, because you never read the tale until you saw the movies!! That is NOT TRUE of the rest of the world, video-boy!!!! It will be PJ's movies that fall into obscurity. Movies come and movies go. But great books shall ALWAYS be here. They are timeless and never dying!!! |
|
|
|
Similar Threads | ||||
Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post |
Tolkien's Languages | Forkbeard | Middle Earth | 3 | 10-14-2004 01:08 PM |
Tolkien's message =to die with dignity. Can any one help explain this interpretation | Seblor | Lord of the Rings Books | 6 | 12-18-2002 01:18 PM |