Offshoot discussion of "what religion are you" thread - Page 37

Lief Erikson · 05-18-2003, 11:56 PM

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Originally posted by Ruinel
My beef was that he knows that I am an Atheist and he said we do not have a tie to this Earth. Likewise, you say it again there, in your post. And you are both incorrect.

I think you're misinterpreting both of us. We do not mean that you have no ties to the Earth, or that your own beliefs do not cause you to believe that the taking care of the Earth is important. All I said is that Christians have an added reason to take care of this Earth that nonChristians do not have.

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Originally posted by Coney
This is one of the things I have grown to respect about the Bible (especially considering the date(s) in which it was written)......and from a personal POV it is one of the teachings which is often overlooked.

It's not even nearly the only one that is overlooked by a lot of Christians because it's inconvenient

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Gwaimir Windgem · 05-19-2003, 12:00 AM

Yeah, I know...it's so aggravating when people just stick the less convenient parts of Christianty in the back closet.

Lizra · 05-19-2003, 12:11 AM

I went to a Quaker (I think..."Friends" ?) service today. It was very laid back.

Lief Erikson · 05-19-2003, 12:22 AM

That's nice

. Not what Gwaimir and I were talking about, by the way, but I'm glad you enjoyed the service.

Lizra · 05-19-2003, 12:26 AM

I know, sorry to interupt

....proceed!

Lief Erikson · 05-19-2003, 12:29 AM

No, no

. I wasn't going to elaborate on that vein anyway- there's no point. Gwaimir and I are both in agreement, and we might risk seeming silly to nonChristians

. I was just a tiny bit concerned that you were thinking we'd object to a service being laid back.

Lizra · 05-19-2003, 12:41 AM

Oh! No, I was just surprised at how informal they were. I had been going (occasionally) to a rather large (for my smallish town) Methodist church. This little "Friends" church was very "easy". It is almost amazing to a non Christian, how different churches can be. Preacher, minister, reverend, pastor....you just never know what's going to go down! Then there was that one where they did the "full baptism" thing on this guy. Had a special area and "tank" up front. I didn't go back to that one! scared me off good!

Lief Erikson · 05-19-2003, 12:47 AM

Reminds me of Importance of Being Earnest, Algy and Jack discussing their potential baptism. That was really funny

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Eruviel Greenleaf · 05-19-2003, 02:16 AM

YAY! Importance of Being Earnest! I just saw it again today at SPT, they had to do it outside because the electricity was out. I love that play. . .. anyway...back to the subject...

*realizes she doesn't have much to say, not wanting to get into the current debate*
nevermind, then

ooh, wait! Lizra, I've never been to a Quaker meeting (um, Friends?) but I had a friend who was Quaker and their meetings sound really interesting. I want to go to one sometime.

Baby-K · 05-19-2003, 04:21 AM

In the 5 months I've been here I've seen & heard a lot of thing in the religious threads that have confirmed a few doubts I've been having.

What religion am I? Not sure, but one thing's for certain - I no longer call myself a christian. If & when I do know what I'm supposed to classify myself as, I'll let you know.

Oh, Gwai, re the questions you had for me, I'll have an answer for you by the end of the week.

***Khamûl*** · 05-19-2003, 11:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lizra
Then there was that one where they did the "full baptism" thing on this guy. Had a special area and "tank" up front. I didn't go back to that one! scared me off good!

What did this "full baptism" involve?

Lizra · 05-20-2003, 07:55 AM

Instead of just touching the head with water , The guy got in this small "Tank" and went under (head immersed) in the water. He was totally soaked, and brought clothes to change into. I don't know why they do this though!

Baby-K · 05-20-2003, 08:00 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lizra
Instead of just touching the head with water , The guy got in this small "Tank" and went under (head immersed) in the water. He was totally soaked, and brought clothes to change into. I don't know why they do this though!

I've seen some services where the congregation goes to the river / dam and then the people who are to be baptised walk into the water with the pastor & he then does some chant or whatever before dipping the person under water. I thought it was weird - sorta like cow dipping or summin, I was just waiting for the people to go MOOOOOOOOOOOOO in unison

Don't know which denomination it was though

Lizra · 05-20-2003, 08:05 AM

Sooo, why does someone "tip" a cow?

Baby-K · 05-20-2003, 08:08 AM

To say thanks for the great service ?

(I'll go back & change it - bit daft of me)

Gwaimir Windgem · 05-20-2003, 10:12 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lizra
Instead of just touching the head with water , The guy got in this small "Tank" and went under (head immersed) in the water. He was totally soaked, and brought clothes to change into. I don't know why they do this though!

Different denominations believe differently about baptism. Some are dunkers, some are sprinklers.

***Khamûl*** · 05-20-2003, 12:08 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lizra
Instead of just touching the head with water , The guy got in this small "Tank" and went under (head immersed) in the water. He was totally soaked, and brought clothes to change into. I don't know why they do this though!

Probably was a Baptist church. We do full baptisms. It's symbolic of death and resurrection. When you go under the water, that is your death, and when you come up, it symbolizes your new life in Christ. The preacher probably said something along the lines of "My brother/sister, I baptise you in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit". Baptists don't believe that you have to be baptised to be saved, but some other denominations do. Baptism is just a way of letting everyone know what has happened in your life.

***Rían*** · 05-20-2003, 12:16 PM

Our church does full baptisms too. As Khamûl said, it's symbolic of death and resurrection - dying to your old life, and receiving a new life in Jesus Christ.

Arien the Maia · 05-20-2003, 12:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Gwaimir Windgem
Different denominations believe differently about baptism. Some are dunkers, some are sprinklers.

I think in my Church you can have either way done.

Coney · 05-20-2003, 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Gwaimir Windgem
Different denominations believe differently about baptism. Some are dunkers, some are sprinklers.

Sprinkler here. (Methodist Christening)

05-19-2003, 12:00 AM	#722
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	Yeah, I know...it's so aggravating when people just stick the less convenient parts of Christianty in the back closet. __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle

05-19-2003, 12:11 AM	#723
Lizra Domesticated Swing Babe Join Date: May 2002 Location: Reality Posts: 5,340	I went to a Quaker (I think..."Friends" ?) service today. It was very laid back. __________________ Happy Atheist Go Democrats!

05-19-2003, 12:26 AM	#725
Lizra Domesticated Swing Babe Join Date: May 2002 Location: Reality Posts: 5,340	I know, sorry to interupt ....proceed! __________________ Happy Atheist Go Democrats!

05-19-2003, 12:41 AM	#727
Lizra Domesticated Swing Babe Join Date: May 2002 Location: Reality Posts: 5,340	Oh! No, I was just surprised at how informal they were. I had been going (occasionally) to a rather large (for my smallish town) Methodist church. This little "Friends" church was very "easy". It is almost amazing to a non Christian, how different churches can be. Preacher, minister, reverend, pastor....you just never know what's going to go down! Then there was that one where they did the "full baptism" thing on this guy. Had a special area and "tank" up front. I didn't go back to that one! scared me off good! __________________ Happy Atheist Go Democrats!

05-19-2003, 02:16 AM	#729
Eruviel Greenleaf Alcoholic Villain-Fancying Elf Pirate Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Lyonesse Posts: 4,547	YAY! Importance of Being Earnest! I just saw it again today at SPT, they had to do it outside because the electricity was out. I love that play. . .. anyway...back to the subject... realizes she doesn't have much to say, not wanting to get into the current debate nevermind, then ooh, wait! Lizra, I've never been to a Quaker meeting (um, Friends?) but I had a friend who was Quaker and their meetings sound really interesting. I want to go to one sometime. __________________ Eruviel Greenleaf in a past life. "Whoever has come to understand the world has found only a corpse, and whoever has found a corpse is superior to the world." -The Gospel of Thomas SQUAWK!

05-19-2003, 12:22 AM	#724
Lief Erikson Elf Lord Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Fountain Valley, CA Posts: 6,343	That's nice . Not what Gwaimir and I were talking about, by the way, but I'm glad you enjoyed the service.

05-19-2003, 12:29 AM	#726
Lief Erikson Elf Lord Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Fountain Valley, CA Posts: 6,343	No, no . I wasn't going to elaborate on that vein anyway- there's no point. Gwaimir and I are both in agreement, and we might risk seeming silly to nonChristians . I was just a tiny bit concerned that you were thinking we'd object to a service being laid back.

05-19-2003, 12:47 AM	#728
Lief Erikson Elf Lord Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Fountain Valley, CA Posts: 6,343	Reminds me of Importance of Being Earnest, Algy and Jack discussing their potential baptism. That was really funny .

05-19-2003, 04:21 AM	#730
Baby-K Corruptor Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Jozi SA Posts: 1,885	In the 5 months I've been here I've seen & heard a lot of thing in the religious threads that have confirmed a few doubts I've been having. What religion am I? Not sure, but one thing's for certain - I no longer call myself a christian. If & when I do know what I'm supposed to classify myself as, I'll let you know. Oh, Gwai, re the questions you had for me, I'll have an answer for you by the end of the week. __________________ Don't wet yourself with excitement.

05-20-2003, 07:55 AM	#732
Lizra Domesticated Swing Babe Join Date: May 2002 Location: Reality Posts: 5,340	Instead of just touching the head with water , The guy got in this small "Tank" and went under (head immersed) in the water. He was totally soaked, and brought clothes to change into. I don't know why they do this though! __________________ Happy Atheist Go Democrats!

05-20-2003, 08:05 AM	#734
Lizra Domesticated Swing Babe Join Date: May 2002 Location: Reality Posts: 5,340	Sooo, why does someone "tip" a cow? __________________ Happy Atheist Go Democrats!

05-20-2003, 08:08 AM	#735
Baby-K Corruptor Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Jozi SA Posts: 1,885	To say thanks for the great service ? (I'll go back & change it - bit daft of me) __________________ Don't wet yourself with excitement.

05-20-2003, 12:16 PM	#738
*Rían* Half-Elven Princess of Rabbit Trails and Harp-Wielding Administrator (beware the Rubber Chicken of Doom!) Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Not where I want to be ... Posts: 15,254	Our church does full baptisms too. As Khamûl said, it's symbolic of death and resurrection - dying to your old life, and receiving a new life in Jesus Christ. __________________ . I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç å ™ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva!

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