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Spock · 02-23-2006, 04:49 PM

and your point is ???????????????????????

***Jonathan*** · 02-23-2006, 04:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jonathan

and your point is ?????? question mark question mark

Simple point - If you want to understand the present, you need to take a look at the past.

Spock · 02-23-2006, 04:57 PM

Oh, we totally agree on that. Things here get muddled-a great many times-. All I was trying to put forward is the reasons that the people involved are giving for their behavior at this time. The historical is granted.

BTW, ...sigh...is a great way to handle this kind of stuff

inked · 02-23-2006, 05:37 PM

Muslim hackers hit the Danes: http://washingtontimes.com/upi/20060...3534-1827r.htm

jihad, it's not just for bodies anymore!

Insidious Rex · 02-23-2006, 05:41 PM

So an excuse for them to recruit great tech minds to their cause. Just what we needed... And be sure this event has filled their coffers like nothing has in a long time. And has certainly brought a thousand new suicide bombers under their fold. What great propaganda we handed them... All in the name of "freedom of expression". It seems to me there may have been a better way to attempt to express this concept.

inked · 02-23-2006, 05:44 PM

Finns and Norweigens cave: http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatc...ves/010349.php

and, worth your time summary of events of 5 months into the infoontada:
http://www.reason.com/cavanaugh/022206.shtml

and, an evaluation of American newspaper and media reluctance to print the cartoons, along with the firing of student editors for printing 6 of them (yes, here in America!):
http://spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=9444

finally, the cartoon reaction applied to the DaVinci Code by western religion:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...049788,00.html

(****warning****the last is humor, or not

)

Spock · 02-23-2006, 09:40 PM

Freedom of the press is not to be given up lightly.

Spock · 02-23-2006, 09:46 PM

Cartoon by Bob Gorrell, AOL News, February 8, 2006

Thank God, Buddha, or any diety you like or none if you like, that we are free in the US.

Lief Erikson · 02-23-2006, 10:18 PM

A small technical quibble: Buddhists don't consider Buddha to be a god, but rather only to be a man who achieved enlightenment.

The rest of the post I won't comment on at the moment

.

Spock · 02-24-2006, 10:54 AM

Yes, I realize that but not everyone does and I wanted to be 'inclusive' in the statement.

Spock · 02-24-2006, 12:10 PM

Nigerian Christians Mob Muslims, Blame for World's Problems
Thursday, February 23, 2006

ONITSHA, Nigeria — Christians in this southern Nigerian city burned Muslim corpses and defaced wrecked mosques Thursday, showing little repentance after days of sectarian violence that has killed more than 120 people across the country.

Onitsha has borne the brunt, with at least 80 of the deaths. The violence followed weekend protests over the publication of cartoons of Muhammad, the Islamic prophet.

"We don't want these mosques here anymore. These people are causing all the problems all over the world because they don't fear God," said 34-year Ifeanyi Ese, standing amid the concrete rubble of an Onitsha mosque.

With a crowd gathered, Ese angrily scrawled "Mohammed is a man, but Jesus is from above" on a shattered mosque wall with a burned stick.

Thousands of Nigerians have died in sectarian strife since 2000, when mostly Muslim northern states began implementing Islamic Shariah law in late 1999. Nigeria's 130 million people are split between the two faiths, with Christians a majority in the south.

Spock · 02-24-2006, 12:15 PM

Protests
Monday, February 20, 2006

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan —

Radical Islamic leaders on Monday called for more rallies against the Prophet Muhammad cartoons in Pakistan as lawmakers disrupted a session of Parliament, protesting sweeping arrests before a banned demonstration over the weekend.
============================
Last week, a Pakistani cleric in Peshawar announced a $1 million bounty for killing a cartoonist who first drew the cartoons for the Danish newspaper, Jyllands-Posten.
=====================================

So much for "tolerance" and "non-violence" in Islam.
and all this over a *cartoon*

inked · 02-27-2006, 04:38 PM

more happenings...

Turkish priest killed by individual who expressly made it a religious act to so do:
http://www.sbpost.ie/post/pages/p/st...138-qqqx=1.asp

Cartoons spark violent attacks (Muslims Burn Christians & Priest ALIVE in Nigeria)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-.../1585321/posts

excerpt:
"Father Gajere, priest of St. Rita’s Catholic Church was burned to death in his home along with his domestic staff, and the residence of the Catholic Bishop of Maiduguri diocese was torched. In one incident a husband and wife in Gamboro lost their six children and all of their belongings when their house was torched, and in another a mob placed a tyre around one man, doused him with petrol and set him on fire. Eyewitnesses report that corpses were piling up in hospitals in Maiduguri due to a lack of sufficient burial sites for casualties of the violence."

The Vatican responds to the killing of two of its priests:
http://reuters.myway.com/article/200...USLIMS-DC.html

Compare what Christians put up with:

OPEN SEASON on CHRISTIANITY: http://www.zenit.org/english/visualizza.phtml?sid=85064

updates on Nigeria, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, and India in regards to violence related to Islam, Buddhists, and Hindus:
http://www.persecution.net/pnp.htm#2

Finally, a very interesting observational piece by an individual raised in Iran on the whole gestalt in the Jerusalem Post:
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satelli...cle%2FShowFull

Spock · 02-27-2006, 04:56 PM

Thanks "I" for that article. It's very sad and yet shows the world how some think.

Blackheart · 02-27-2006, 05:07 PM

Lord what fools these mortals be....

The only trump in this discussion is the right of free speech. Without it, we wouldn't be having this discussion...

inked · 02-28-2006, 06:31 PM

Awards to Danish paper for the cartoons and feedback:

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/webl...y_Seethes&only

and firing in Finland:
http://www.finlandforthought.net/200...ammad-cartoon/

and Canada refuses request for enforcement of Sharia:
http://www.stevejanke.com/archives/160377.php

***HOBBIT*** · 02-28-2006, 06:48 PM

I'd never want to live in a Muslim State.

Farimir Captain of Gondor · 02-28-2006, 09:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HOBBIT

I'd never want to live in a Muslim State.

nor I

Spock · 03-01-2006, 10:47 AM

Thanks, "I", for the link to that award. I hope they retain all their freedoms and don't cave.
The rest of the EU already has caved in many instances, IMO.

Spock · 03-03-2006, 05:17 PM

http://www.danishmuhammedcartoons.com/Apology.html

02-23-2006, 04:49 PM	#721
Spock An enigma in a conundrum Join Date: Oct 1999 Posts: 6,476	and your point is ??????????????????????? __________________ Vizzini: "HE DIDN'T FALL?! INCONCEIVABLE!!" Inigo: "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."

02-23-2006, 04:57 PM	#723
Spock An enigma in a conundrum Join Date: Oct 1999 Posts: 6,476	Oh, we totally agree on that. Things here get muddled-a great many times-. All I was trying to put forward is the reasons that the people involved are giving for their behavior at this time. The historical is granted. BTW, ...sigh...is a great way to handle this kind of stuff __________________ Vizzini: "HE DIDN'T FALL?! INCONCEIVABLE!!" Inigo: "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."

02-23-2006, 05:37 PM	#724
inked Elf Lord Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: sikeston, MO, usa, earth, sol Posts: 3,114	Muslim hackers hit the Danes: http://washingtontimes.com/upi/20060...3534-1827r.htm jihad, it's not just for bodies anymore! __________________ Inked "Aslan is not a tame lion." CSL/LWW "The new school [acts] as if it required...courage to say a blasphemy. There is only one thing that requires real courage to say, and that is a truism." GK Chesterton "And there is always the danger of allowing people to suppose that our modern times are so wholly unlike any other times that the fundamental facts about man's nature have wholly changed with changing circumstances." Dorothy L. Sayers, 1 Sept. 1941

02-23-2006, 05:41 PM	#725
Insidious Rex Quasi Evil Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Maryland, US Posts: 4,634	So an excuse for them to recruit great tech minds to their cause. Just what we needed... And be sure this event has filled their coffers like nothing has in a long time. And has certainly brought a thousand new suicide bombers under their fold. What great propaganda we handed them... All in the name of "freedom of expression". It seems to me there may have been a better way to attempt to express this concept. __________________ "People's political beliefs don't stem from the factual information they've acquired. Far more the facts people choose to believe are the product of their political beliefs." "Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere."

02-23-2006, 05:44 PM	#726
inked Elf Lord Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: sikeston, MO, usa, earth, sol Posts: 3,114	Finns and Norweigens cave: http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatc...ves/010349.php and, worth your time summary of events of 5 months into the infoontada: http://www.reason.com/cavanaugh/022206.shtml and, an evaluation of American newspaper and media reluctance to print the cartoons, along with the firing of student editors for printing 6 of them (yes, here in America!): http://spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=9444 finally, the cartoon reaction applied to the DaVinci Code by western religion: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...049788,00.html (**warningthe last is humor, or not ) __________________ Inked "Aslan is not a tame lion." CSL/LWW "The new school [acts] as if it required...courage to say a blasphemy. There is only one thing that requires real courage to say, and that is a truism."** GK Chesterton "And there is always the danger of allowing people to suppose that our modern times are so wholly unlike any other times that the fundamental facts about man's nature have wholly changed with changing circumstances." Dorothy L. Sayers, 1 Sept. 1941 Last edited by inked : 02-23-2006 at 05:58 PM.

02-23-2006, 09:40 PM	#727
Spock An enigma in a conundrum Join Date: Oct 1999 Posts: 6,476	Freedom of the press is not to be given up lightly. __________________ Vizzini: "HE DIDN'T FALL?! INCONCEIVABLE!!" Inigo: "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."

02-23-2006, 09:46 PM	#728
Spock An enigma in a conundrum Join Date: Oct 1999 Posts: 6,476	Tolerance for all-well not really Cartoon by Bob Gorrell, AOL News, February 8, 2006 Thank God, Buddha, or any diety you like or none if you like, that we are free in the US. __________________ Vizzini: "HE DIDN'T FALL?! INCONCEIVABLE!!" Inigo: "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."

02-23-2006, 10:18 PM	#729
Lief Erikson Elf Lord Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Fountain Valley, CA Posts: 6,343	A small technical quibble: Buddhists don't consider Buddha to be a god, but rather only to be a man who achieved enlightenment. The rest of the post I won't comment on at the moment . __________________ If the world has indeed, as I have said, been built of sorrow, it has been built by the hands of love, because in no other way could the soul of man, for whom the world was made, reach the full stature of its perfection. ~Oscar Wilde, written from prison Oscar Wilde's last words: "Either the wallpaper goes, or I do."

02-24-2006, 10:54 AM	#730
Spock An enigma in a conundrum Join Date: Oct 1999 Posts: 6,476	Yes, I realize that but not everyone does and I wanted to be 'inclusive' in the statement. __________________ Vizzini: "HE DIDN'T FALL?! INCONCEIVABLE!!" Inigo: "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."

02-24-2006, 12:10 PM	#731
Spock An enigma in a conundrum Join Date: Oct 1999 Posts: 6,476	Religion Nigerian Christians Mob Muslims, Blame for World's Problems Thursday, February 23, 2006 ONITSHA, Nigeria — Christians in this southern Nigerian city burned Muslim corpses and defaced wrecked mosques Thursday, showing little repentance after days of sectarian violence that has killed more than 120 people across the country. Onitsha has borne the brunt, with at least 80 of the deaths. The violence followed weekend protests over the publication of cartoons of Muhammad, the Islamic prophet. "We don't want these mosques here anymore. These people are causing all the problems all over the world because they don't fear God," said 34-year Ifeanyi Ese, standing amid the concrete rubble of an Onitsha mosque. With a crowd gathered, Ese angrily scrawled "Mohammed is a man, but Jesus is from above" on a shattered mosque wall with a burned stick. Thousands of Nigerians have died in sectarian strife since 2000, when mostly Muslim northern states began implementing Islamic Shariah law in late 1999. Nigeria's 130 million people are split between the two faiths, with Christians a majority in the south. __________________ Vizzini: "HE DIDN'T FALL?! INCONCEIVABLE!!" Inigo: "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."

02-24-2006, 12:15 PM	#732
Spock An enigma in a conundrum Join Date: Oct 1999 Posts: 6,476	And it continues Protests Monday, February 20, 2006 ISLAMABAD, Pakistan — Radical Islamic leaders on Monday called for more rallies against the Prophet Muhammad cartoons in Pakistan as lawmakers disrupted a session of Parliament, protesting sweeping arrests before a banned demonstration over the weekend. ============================ Last week, a Pakistani cleric in Peshawar announced a $1 million bounty for killing a cartoonist who first drew the cartoons for the Danish newspaper, Jyllands-Posten. ===================================== So much for "tolerance" and "non-violence" in Islam. and all this over a cartoon __________________ Vizzini: "HE DIDN'T FALL?! INCONCEIVABLE!!" Inigo: "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."

02-27-2006, 04:38 PM	#733
inked Elf Lord Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: sikeston, MO, usa, earth, sol Posts: 3,114	more happenings... Turkish priest killed by individual who expressly made it a religious act to so do: http://www.sbpost.ie/post/pages/p/st...138-qqqx=1.asp Cartoons spark violent attacks (Muslims Burn Christians & Priest ALIVE in Nigeria) http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-.../1585321/posts excerpt: "Father Gajere, priest of St. Rita’s Catholic Church was burned to death in his home along with his domestic staff, and the residence of the Catholic Bishop of Maiduguri diocese was torched. In one incident a husband and wife in Gamboro lost their six children and all of their belongings when their house was torched, and in another a mob placed a tyre around one man, doused him with petrol and set him on fire. Eyewitnesses report that corpses were piling up in hospitals in Maiduguri due to a lack of sufficient burial sites for casualties of the violence." The Vatican responds to the killing of two of its priests: http://reuters.myway.com/article/200...USLIMS-DC.html Compare what Christians put up with: OPEN SEASON on CHRISTIANITY: http://www.zenit.org/english/visualizza.phtml?sid=85064 updates on Nigeria, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, and India in regards to violence related to Islam, Buddhists, and Hindus: http://www.persecution.net/pnp.htm#2 Finally, a very interesting observational piece by an individual raised in Iran on the whole gestalt in the Jerusalem Post: http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satelli...cle%2FShowFull __________________ Inked "Aslan is not a tame lion." CSL/LWW "The new school [acts] as if it required...courage to say a blasphemy. There is only one thing that requires real courage to say, and that is a truism." GK Chesterton "And there is always the danger of allowing people to suppose that our modern times are so wholly unlike any other times that the fundamental facts about man's nature have wholly changed with changing circumstances." Dorothy L. Sayers, 1 Sept. 1941 Last edited by inked : 02-27-2006 at 05:38 PM.

02-27-2006, 04:56 PM	#734
Spock An enigma in a conundrum Join Date: Oct 1999 Posts: 6,476	Thanks "I" for that article. It's very sad and yet shows the world how some think. __________________ Vizzini: "HE DIDN'T FALL?! INCONCEIVABLE!!" Inigo: "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."

02-27-2006, 05:07 PM	#735
Blackheart Elf Lord Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Darkness Posts: 1,211	Lord what fools these mortals be.... The only trump in this discussion is the right of free speech. Without it, we wouldn't be having this discussion... __________________ I have harnessed the shadows that stride from world to world to sow death and madness... Queer haow a cravin' gits a holt on ye -- As ye love the Almighty, young man, don't tell nobody, but I swar ter Gawd thet picter begun ta make me hungry fer victuals I couldn't raise nor buy -- here, set still, what's ailin' ye? ...

02-28-2006, 06:31 PM	#736
inked Elf Lord Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: sikeston, MO, usa, earth, sol Posts: 3,114	Awards to Danish paper for the cartoons and feedback: http://littlegreenfootballs.com/webl...y_Seethes&only and firing in Finland: http://www.finlandforthought.net/200...ammad-cartoon/ and Canada refuses request for enforcement of Sharia: http://www.stevejanke.com/archives/160377.php __________________ Inked "Aslan is not a tame lion." CSL/LWW "The new school [acts] as if it required...courage to say a blasphemy. There is only one thing that requires real courage to say, and that is a truism." GK Chesterton "And there is always the danger of allowing people to suppose that our modern times are so wholly unlike any other times that the fundamental facts about man's nature have wholly changed with changing circumstances." Dorothy L. Sayers, 1 Sept. 1941 Last edited by inked : 02-28-2006 at 06:36 PM.

02-28-2006, 06:48 PM	#737
*HOBBIT* Saviour of Entmoot Admiral Join Date: Nov 1999 Location: NC/NJ (no longer Same place as bmilder.) Posts: 61,986	I'd never want to live in a Muslim State. __________________ President Emeritus (2000-2004) Private message (or email) me if you need any assistance. I am here to help! "I'm up to here with cool, ok? I'm so amazingly cool you could keep a side of meat in me for a month. I am so hip I have difficulty seeing over my pelvis" - Zaphod Beeblebrox Latest Blog Post: Just Quit Facebook? No One Cares!

03-01-2006, 10:47 AM	#739
Spock An enigma in a conundrum Join Date: Oct 1999 Posts: 6,476	Thanks, "I", for the link to that award. I hope they retain all their freedoms and don't cave. The rest of the EU already has caved in many instances, IMO. __________________ Vizzini: "HE DIDN'T FALL?! INCONCEIVABLE!!" Inigo: "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."

03-03-2006, 05:17 PM	#740
Spock An enigma in a conundrum Join Date: Oct 1999 Posts: 6,476	A web page from Israel responds to the hub-bub http://www.danishmuhammedcartoons.com/Apology.html __________________ Vizzini: "HE DIDN'T FALL?! INCONCEIVABLE!!" Inigo: "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."

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