How to teach evolution & Evidence for Creationism

[Butterbeer]

[QUOTE=brownjenkins]

i'm sticking to this thread if it kills me

this could be the very act of god Acran Mern requires to prove her point

(hope i haven't tempted either fate, god's wrath or nano-second evolution)

[brownjenkins]

Originally Posted by Acran Mern

It's certainly no more extrapolation then seeing natural selection and thinking that life evolved all by itself by random mutations

but it is... random mutations exist and can be observed... that is the basis for the theory

there is no observable basis for creationism

[brownjenkins]

Originally Posted by Acran Mern

Also, I'd like to present as evidence a well-corroborated, well-preserved document written by those who have witnessed, first-hand, acts of God. I challenge anyone to dispute it.

sounds good to me

[brownjenkins]

acran seems to like the other thread... so i'll officially flip-flop

[brownjenkins]

acran seems to like the other thread... so i'll officially flip-flop

Originally Posted by brownjenkins

the problem is... the layers add up to much more than 4000... ice cores in the antarctica have show as many as 400,000 layers

Exactly...Those layers would have been layed very quickly in a violent flood. Look at what we get from even a (comparatively) minor catastrophe like a single volcanic eruption.

[brownjenkins]

Originally Posted by Acran Mern

Exactly...Those layers would have been layed very quickly in a violent flood. Look at what we get from even a (comparatively) minor catastrophe like a single volcanic eruption.

this is ice we are talking about, something that takes time to form from water... are you saying there were 400,000 successive floods with enough space in between to freeze each ice layer individually over a relatively short time period?

Annual layer counting on ice cores isn't particularly accurate once you get past about 3500 years. One would expect layers during the ice age to be significantly thicker with individual layers from storms. Even today, storms can duplicate annual layers.

Incidentally, (just picked this up at http://www.answersingenesis.org/crea...3/squadron.asp ) a Greenland ice core sample, believed to date at 120,000 years, is 3,000 meters deep. A squadron of fighter planes, lost 50 years ago, was buried in 75 meters of solid ice. At that rate, the 3,000 meter sample would only work out to 2,000 years.

Just for the record, Acran is a he with a bushy beard

Just for the record, Acran is a he with a bushy beard

Alright, I gotta go home. I'll be back on Thursday.

[Butterbeer]

oops. sorry.

[Butterbeer]

oops. sorry.

[Rían]

Originally Posted by Acran Mern

I was just trying to give respect to Rian who started the thread to discuss a specific issue, but ok...

Thank you Yes, I'd like to keep this thread to the Kansas issue and issues like that. I think that will be more than enough to keep the thread busy!

We've had threads on evidence for creationism, evolution, and the interesting side-issue of value-of-life type stuff. I'd be interested to re-join any of those discussions.

(ps - sorry I messed up on the Hobbit Wheel of Fortune thread! You did indeed get the quote correct Your turn!)

[Rían]

Originally Posted by Acran Mern

I was just trying to give respect to Rian who started the thread to discuss a specific issue, but ok...

Thank you Yes, I'd like to keep this thread to the Kansas issue and issues like that. I think that will be more than enough to keep the thread busy!

We've had threads on evidence for creationism, evolution, and the interesting side-issue of value-of-life type stuff. I'd be interested to re-join any of those discussions.

(ps - sorry I messed up on the Hobbit Wheel of Fortune thread! You did indeed get the quote correct Your turn!)

[Spock]

Originally Posted by brownjenkins

i knew we should've sticked with the same thread... darn mods messin' with stuff

No mod, including myself, did anything to or with existing threads. Neither was any thread closed, merged, changed, or moved.
Don't accuse when you don't have facts to back it up.

[Rían]

He was just joshin' ya, Spock Note the -->


(but I know it must be hard to be a mod, and thanks for doing it!)

[brownjenkins]

Originally Posted by Spock

No mod, including myself, did anything to or with existing threads. Neither was any thread closed, merged, changed, or moved.
Don't accuse when you don't have facts to back it up.

i need facts to accuse you! that's no fun

just kidding around... acran and i had a bit of thread tag, but it was not your fault (at least i haven't dug up enough evidence yet )

[brownjenkins]

Originally Posted by Acran Mern

Incidentally, (just picked this up at http://www.answersingenesis.org/crea...3/squadron.asp ) a Greenland ice core sample, believed to date at 120,000 years, is 3,000 meters deep. A squadron of fighter planes, lost 50 years ago, was buried in 75 meters of solid ice. At that rate, the 3,000 meter sample would only work out to 2,000 years.

i was speaking of antarctica which, unlike much of greenland, is in a state of perpetual freeze... there is no melting period, and there is also nowhere near the seasonal precipitation you find in a spot like the south of greenland... it is the reason why scientists do cores there

i'll try to dig up some more science on the issue for you