Homosexual marriage

[hectorberlioz]

Originally Posted by Nurvingiel

Ah yes. Hector, I totally understand your blog dislike as they are (IMNHO) totally over-referenced in our society. I find it hideous when the are used as a news source, as they are someone's online journal. However, they are awesome for general reading purposes.

Thank you, for understanding what I meant

Lady Willow Rose, in twelve short words, you completely debunked the whole (... and then people will marry their pets!) argument. I salute you!

Well the argument there would be; that since the owners own the pets, they sign for both

[Nurvingiel]

Originally Posted by hectorberlioz

Well the argument there would be; that since the owners own the pets, they sign for both

You can't sign someone else's marriage contract! The chaos...

I'll just sign this for Brad Pitt, no he's not capable of being here to sign the marriage contract... yes, he's busy. Busy with stuff. Yeah.



(I know you were joking. )

[Gwaimir Windgem]

Brad Pitt's not getting married, silly. Not until marriage is open to "all who want it", which I presume actually means same-sex couples. Like we care...

[hectorberlioz]

So do we all know about Elton John's "aha!" solution to ending violence? Yeah, ban organized religion. Sorry Mr. John, but that's already been tried. What he really meant, of course, was Ban Chrisitianity...since one of his reasons was that "religion (aka that evil religion christianity) encourages hatred against gays."
And we all know that christianity is the most anti-gay of all religions, and that its constituents are the most wild-eyed evil people who ever walked the face of the earth.
Oh well, any stick is good enough to beat Christianity with, eh?

[Insidious Rex]

Yeah it is a silly suggestion to ban organized religion even if christianty and Islam DO encourage hatred against gays.

[Earniel]

Did he specifically say to ban christianity? Because you know, organised religions are bit bigger than just that.

It's an impossible solution but still, if we hadn't have religion, I can't help thinking we'd have a lot less of the current conflicts. But of course, knowing us, we'd find some other characteristic to pick fights over...

[hectorberlioz]

Originally Posted by Eärniel

Did he specifically say to ban christianity? Because you know, organised religions are bit bigger than just that.

It's an impossible solution but still, if we hadn't have religion, I can't help thinking we'd have a lot less of the current conflicts. But of course, knowing us, we'd find some other characteristic to pick fights over...

No he didn't SAY, but he implicity implied. Not sure what you mean by "bit bigger than that"...what is usually meant by "organized religion" is "people who go to church". Basically he wants religion to be a feel-good, stay-at-home type of thing. "Ya know, I just really feel the sugar/God thing flowing through me right now. Sure wish I could go to church, but since the super-smart Elton John came with this great idea of banning religion, I guess I'd better not. "....

Thanks Rex, for realizing it's a useless suggestion

[brownjenkins]

Keeping religion to yourself ain't such a bad idea, though I'd never ban it.

It's like sex. As long as it's kept in the bedroom, people can do as they choose.

[hectorberlioz]

Originally Posted by brownjenkins

Keeping religion to yourself ain't such a bad idea, though I'd never ban it.

It's like sex. As long as it's kept in the bedroom, people can do as they choose.

The problem is that the consequences of religion, like sex, don't stay in the bedroom. I mean, it's kindof a stupid idea to keep your offspring in the bedroom, isn't it? Religion affects people's lives, there's no "containing" it to the bedroom.

[Earniel]

Originally Posted by hectorberlioz

No he didn't SAY, but he implicity implied.

Sooo, you're taking this as an insult to christianity on account of a supposed implication that organised religion can be no other but christianity?

The term organized religion does not solely contain christianity, that's what I'm saying. Not every 'stick' thrown at 'organized religion' hits christianity on the head. I'm sure all the other organized religions want their share of stick beatings too.

[hectorberlioz]

Originally Posted by Eärniel

Sooo, you're taking this as an insult to christianity on account of a supposed implication that organised religion can be no other but christianity?

The term organized religion does not solely contain christianity, that's what I'm saying. Not every 'stick' thrown at 'organized religion' hits christianity on the head. I'm sure all the other organized religions want their share of stick beatings too.

Seriously now Earn, is he had simply gone out and said "Christianity should be banned from organizing" he'd look like a fool. He still looks like one, and like more besides, but at least if he said simply "organized religion" more people would agree with him, and it would lessen the blows recieved. As is often pointed out, Buddhism, as practiced in America, is not an organized religion. He couldn't have been referring to that religion could he? Let's see...Hindu religion? Not much of it around except in India. When's the last time a Hindu condemned homosexuality? Couldn't be referring to that one...and the jewish religion is pretty ambiguous these days, so that leaves the two most evil religions of our time: Islam and Christianity.

I'm not bursting out in tears or anything, I just thought maybe you guys wanted to dicuss this subject, seeing as it's all over the news

[Rosie Gamgee]

Originally Posted by Insidious Rex

Yeah it is a silly suggestion to ban organized religion even if christianty and Islam DO encourage hatred against gays.

Well, I can't speak for Islam, but Christianity in its idealism, if you will, does not encourage hatred of anybody, let alone gays. Christianity takes a decided stance against homosexuality, yes, but it does not by any means encourage hatred of homosexuals. People who hate gays in the name of any organized religion will still hate gays in the absence of any organized religion.

[hectorberlioz]

Great post, Rosie

...People talk about what the world would be like "if christians had the power!?". I can understand how a lot of Muslims must feel, going through this time, having to be associated with terrorists. Rosie O'Donnel apperantly thinks "extreme" christianity is "just as dangerous" as "extreme Islam". Heck, some weirdo author thinks christians are so bad, she wrote a novel (The Handmaid's Tale) about how it would be for women if christianity took over. The fact is that christianity is the thing that liberated women.

...well, futile to talk about it taking over, because it already did takeover, and it produced this country of America.

[Insidious Rex]

Originally Posted by Rosie Gamgee

Well, I can't speak for Islam, but Christianity in its idealism, if you will, does not encourage hatred of anybody, let alone gays. Christianity takes a decided stance against homosexuality, yes, but it does not by any means encourage hatred of homosexuals.

Well it sure as heck makes it a whole lot easier to. Whenever you say a certain subset of the population are vial lecherous sinners who follow an abomination of a life style and who arent even worthy of marriage you are basically endorsing hate of that group by bigots and ignorants of all stripes and colors. Sad but true. And time christians started admitting this reality about their religion. That the way they treat gays makes it easier to hate gays no matter how much you say you are doing it in the name of “love”.

[Insidious Rex]

Originally Posted by hectorberlioz

...well, futile to talk about it taking over, because it already did takeover, and it produced this country of America.

Yes but thankfully weve moved away from our Puritan stage and have developed into a more tolerant nation.

[hectorberlioz]

Originally Posted by Insidious Rex

Yes but thankfully weve moved away from our Puritan stage and have developed into a more tolerant nation.

Puritanism is the reason you can use the restroom in peace, Rex. I wouldn't be so quick to run over it...

[Insidious Rex]

Oh please do elaborate...

[hectorberlioz]

Originally Posted by Insidious Rex

Oh please do elaborate...

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[Anglorfin]

On some level I do agree with Elton John. At least in our current world situation it would seem that organized religion does more bad than good. However suppression solves nothing and creates just as many if not more problems than it is trying to fix. Society needs good religion just as much as it needs good government.

[hectorberlioz]

Well, as I said, I think he's taking a [cheap] shot at Christianity, in particular.

What i'm surprised about is the fact that someone that far over to the left, for all they preach about tolerance etc...whatever happened to the proponents of freedom expression?

At the bottom of it, christians don't really give a dang what people do in their bedrooms. The problem is when their kids are taught it in school.

If we really want to follow Elton John's method, why don't we just ban gays? Problem just as easily solved, right? "Uh...cuz that's wrong?"