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Reuters news reports on Nigeria with political, cultural, and religious considerations:
http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/swissin...=1140522642000 So, I think IR's comments about causes other than religion per se are validated in this report. Particularly interesting are the multiple causes of the outbreaks of violence. Only one out of the three are linked to the cartoons.
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so what are y'all's views on the U.S./ UAE port issue that all the politicians are waving their hands over?
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Actually I'm not sure how your reading interpretation skills are and so I foolishly believed that the article stated the Christian Nigerians rioted against the Muslim Nigerians and burned their Mosques in reprisal for Muslim acts of arson against the Christian community. In so interpreting, I had the distinct impression that it meant what it said. The religious differences and acts of violence, triggered a like response.
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Now the Canadians....
http://worldnetdaily.com/news/articl...TICLE_ID=48912 What do you think? Is this equal opportunity blasphemy? equal opportunity humour? equal opportunity tastelessness? anti-homosexual? pro-homosexual? I can see any and all of the above, and I'm not Islamic, just Christian.
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PLEASE feel free to counter THIS CLEAR point if you wish/dare… That is to say MUSLIM violence occurred and CHRISTIAN violence occurred. This occurred ALL in one culture. So... what do you conclude from that exactly? That Islam is a vile and violent religion and christianity is not OR that this is how things operate in this CULTURE sometimes? Hm? What do your advanced "reading interpretation skills" tell you exactly? Furthermore, (speaking of reading interpretation) the article itself points out that "Thousands of people have died in religious violence in Nigeria since 2000." NOT MUSLIM violence. But RELIGIOUS violence. Do thousands of people die in say Australia because of religious violence? Do you think this could have something to do with the difference in the culture between Nigeria and Australia? Heaven forbid…
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Insidious Rex, I found an article on CNN which describes the fighting in Nigeria some. It describes the fighting as having initially started because Muslims were angered at rumors of a desecrated Koran, and also angered by the cartoons. Christians then initiated retaliation with revenge killings of a number of Muslims. It does seem that Muslims were initially responsible in this case, though I definitely do NOT argue that the Christians are without blame in their reaction. http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/africa...eut/index.html
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roots, smoots, it's the living people, Christian and Muslim that do and say what and why and nobody is quoting 300 yr. old history there.
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What happened 300 years ago can still have a large influence on today's world, whether it is being quoted or not.
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"can have infulence" -that's us looking through the telescope of time. It has no bearing on the emotional acts of the people whose homes and churches/mosques, are being burned. I'm positive their reactions are based more on the here and now and not on the look back of history.
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No, IMO it's realising that the 'here and now' are still a product of the past, whether we acknowledge it or not.
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Ah yes, but IMO or IYO doesn't mean either is the correct answer.
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the causes are in the here and now even if the motivation tracks across centuries.....
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Um first off that was 300 odd TRIBAL GROUPS... not 300 years ago. The tribal groups are still very much alive and apparent even today...
Secondly have a look at this from the BBC: Quote:
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