01-17-2006, 03:58 AM | #701 | ||
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Truthiness? Where have I heard that before... is it from a book?
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all i'm saying is that it is my impression that most people don't take the bible as literally as they may have 1000 years ago... they pick and choose and interpret for themselves, as opposed to letting preachers do it for them is this a scientific observation? no... but i think it is an accurate one, at least in the united states
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01-17-2006, 11:55 AM | #703 | |
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any of our personal morality is tempered by the fact that we live in a society with other human beings... our own personal existance and survival depends upon this very society and functioning within it in a peaceful manor... that is why you would just be hurting yourself if you choose to hurt others
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01-17-2006, 01:50 PM | #704 | |
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I think I would get the Congressional Medal. And, relatively, it's only what I think that counts. Your attention to society is merely sneaking in the absolute by another route and asserting its applicability because of the (now) absolute role of society. Gotcha!
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01-17-2006, 02:09 PM | #705 | ||
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you see this in humanity's past, and will see it in our future, not matter what supposed "absolutes" were penned in antiquity
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01-17-2006, 03:30 PM | #706 |
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Yes, BJ, but you are no less absolute because you profess 'fluidity'. You merely assert the absolutism of societies current judgment. How is that less absolute in function than my professed acknowledgment of absolute truth? It is not. I submit to the Tao because it is universal. You make the present which you happen to agree with universal.
A rose by any other name is yet a rose, old man! And, by the by, you dis the majority where you disagree and assert it where you agree. Notice a non-sequiter there by any chance?
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01-17-2006, 05:44 PM | #709 | |
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01-17-2006, 05:49 PM | #710 | |
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(you relative guys keep making absolute statements!)
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01-17-2006, 05:57 PM | #711 | |
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If the statement that "everything is relative" is relatively true (or fairly true), then it's also relatively untrue, and if it's relatively untrue, then it cannot be "everything" that you're talking about, but only those parts of reality about which what you're saying is true. Therefore you're no longer talking about "everything" but about "some things," saying, "some things are relative," rather than "everything is relative."
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01-17-2006, 06:00 PM | #712 | |
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there are no universal truths... whether you can see it or not i'm just trying to answer lief's question... any opinion i hold, any opinion you hold, and any opinion lief holds, is relative to personal experience and personal interpretation of that experience even something as "set in stone" as the bible can be interpreted quite differently by two different people... why, because perception is relative
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01-17-2006, 06:03 PM | #713 | |
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let's say "everything that humans know about the universe around us is relative to our ability to perceive that very universe"
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I just don't buy this wholesale perception problem thingy. If it's true, then I shouldn't be graded down in math class if I perceive that 1 + 1 is 3.
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or Ereht uoy og niaga, JB, gnikam na etulosba tnemetats. or Tnemetats etulosba na making, JB, niaga og ouy ereht. There is in fact a moral grammar of the universe to which you constantly appeal in favor of your argumentation - which if it exists belies your argument.
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kudos everyone, quite an amusing debate.
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