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*smacks head* sorry about that...
![]() How about, for some variation from the corpus: Aur vaer - Good morning Aduial vaer - Good evening Not entirely sure about the mutilations though...
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I looked in a language of Middle Earth book and yes, "vedui" means "last", and it's funny because it was on a role player site where I was told it means hello. anywho...
not a problem Falagar.... ![]() I looked up the 'good morning' and 'good evening', but there was no mention of either ![]()
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'vaer' is a lenited form of 'maer' (can't remember the name of the lenitation, though).
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If it's Ruth Noel's book I would be cautious about the Elvish, as her work is quite outdated now. She indeed lists 'vedui' as 'last', and not to be technical but medui may mean 'last'.
In Sindarin initial v- may be from m- or b-, but the words should really be listed in unmutated form. barad 'tower' i varad 'the tower' In short there are various kinds of mutations in Sindarin (similar can be found in Welsh for example). Na vedui is likely an example of a mutation called lenition or softening, as is the example i varad ¤ |
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Ach, I don't have the book with me.
What you both say makes sense. Thanks. So Falagar what would be the translation for 'maer'? Looks like I have a reason to visit the book store. ![]()
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_maer_ means 'fit, good' (of things). _mae_ is more 'well', as in being well.
I've completely forgotten all the mutations except from lenitation and mixed mutation since I last read anything on Sindarin...and I wasn't even very good in the beginning.
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Hey that's ok
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Cian, that book I was using was Ruth Noel's, so thanks for the warning, I'll find a better book.
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Enutuulien.
That brings up a good question: en means "re-", tul= come, how to do perfect tense? entuulie? enutuulie?
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Right.
*dusts off thread before gently starting to weave* Any Metallica-fans out there? Any E.A.Poe-fans out there? I have a few new translations, aiquen harya cuilë iquista nanquetë. ![]() Fade to black Firilë mórenna Fading to black Life it seems, will fade away Cuilë séyas, firuva Life it seems, will fade Drifting further every day Lutula lil haira ilya rë Floating more far every day Getting lost within myself Léncanye selmanya I am loosing my will Nothing matters no one else Munta selyalë, úquen Nothing [has] meaning, no one I have lost the will to live Eléncien selma cuilen I have lost [the] will for life Simply nothing more to give Ahárien munta lil anta I have nothing more to give There is nothing more for me *Ëa munta lil an ni [i]There is nothing more for me[/b] Need the end to set me free Maurin i metta lerya ni I need the end to release me Things are not what they used to be I cuilë úna i neryë The life is not that [which] it was Missing one inside of me Eléncien quen mi nin I have lost one inside me Deathly lost, this can't be real Qualinvë vanwa úpolë ná anwa Deathly lost it can't be real Cannot stand this hell I feel Tevin nwalma i tenyan I hate the pain I feel Emptiness is filling me Muntawë quáta nin Nothingness is filling me To the point of agony Mentenna qualmëo To [the] point of agony Growing darkness taking dawn Mórë lauyala untúpa ára Growing darkness is covering dawn I was me, but now He's gone Nén ni, mal si nás vanwa I was me, but now he is gone No one but me can save myself, but it's too late Úquen hequa ni polë #etelehta ni mal acca telwa No one but me can save myself but it's too late Now I can't think, think why I should even try Si úpolin sana, sana tyarwë an carala sa Now I can't think, think reason for doing it Yesterday seems as though it never existed Tellarë séya vë úcarnë ëa Yesterday seems like [it] didn't exist Death greets me warm, now I will just say good-bye Qualmë suilar ni, si quetuvan er mára mesta Death greets me, now I will only say goodbye
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The Unforgiven II
I Úvatyaina II The Unforgiven II Lay beside me Caita ara nin Lay beside me Tell me what they’ve done Nyara nin i acáriet Tell to me that [which] they have done Speak the words I wanna hear Queta quettar merin hlarë Speak [the] words I want to hear To make my demons run Ya caruva rauconyar autar Which will make my demons go away The door is locked now I ando pahtaina si The gate [is] closed now But it’s open if you’re true Mal pantuvas ai nál voronda But it will open if you're faithful If you can understand the me Ai polil hanya ni If you can understand me Then I can understand the you San polin hanya le Then I can understand you Lay beside me Caita ara nin Lie beside me Under wicked sky Undu ulco vilya Under wicked sky The black of day I mórë aureva The black of night Dark of night Lómeo mornië Night's darkness We share this paralyze Nammë yúyo halcinu We are both frozen The door cracks open I ando palyëa The door is opening But there’s no sun shining through Mal ú Anar sÃ*la ter But no sun is shining through Black heart scarring darker still Órë morna rista lil morna er Black heart cutting more dark still But there’s no sun shining through Mal ú Anar sÃ*la ter But no sun is shining through No, there’s no sun shining through Ú Anar sÃ*la ter No sun is shining through No, there’s no sun shining Ú Anar sÃ*la No sun is shining What I’ve felt I eténiën What I've felt What I’ve known I sinten What I knew Turn the pages Yessë vinya A new beginning Turn the stone A leryal vanwië Release [the] past Behind the door Ca i andon Behind the gate Should I open it for you? Ai pantanyes len? If I open it for you? Yeah What I've felt What I’ve known Sick and tired Laiv' ar lumba Sick and weary I stand alone Tyulin eressë I stand alone Could you be there Poluval tulë nin Could you come for me ’cause I’m the one who waits for you An nán er i len larta For I am [the] one who waits for you Or are you unforgiven too? Var nál yando úvatyaina? Or are you also unforgiven? Come lay beside me Tula caita ara nin Come lay beside me This won’t hurt, I swear Únwalyuvaryel, ná vére It won't pain you, [that] is [an] oath She loves me not Ú-meliryen She loves me not She loves me still Meliryen er She loves me still But she’ll never love again Mal úmeluvas ata But she will never love again She lay beside me Caitas ara nin She lay beside me But she’ll be there when I’m gone Mal nauvas Ã*rë vanwa nán But she will be when gone I am Black heart scarring darker still Órë morna rista lil morna er Black heart cutting more dark still Yes, she’ll be there when I’m gone Nauvas Ã*rë vanwa nán She will be when gone I am Yes, she’ll be there when I’m gone Nauvas Ã*rë vanwa nán She will be when gone I am Dead sure she’ll be there Nán tanca nauvas I'm sure she'll be What I've felt What I’ve known Turn the pages Turn the stone Behind the door Should I open it for you? What I’ve felt What I’ve known Sick and tired I stand alone Could you be there ’cause I’m the one who waits for you Or are you unforgiven too? Lay beside me Caita ara nin Lie beside me Tell me what they’ve done Nyara nin acárien Tell to me [what] I've done The door is closed, so are your eyes I ando puhtaina, vë hendulyat The gate [is] closed, like your eyes But now I see the sun Mal si cenin Anar But now I see the sun Now I see the sun Si cenin Anar Now I see the sun Yes, now I see it Anwa, si ceninyes True, now I see it Oh, what I’ve felt Oh, what I’ve known Turn the pages Turn the stone Behind the door Should I open it for you? Yeah What I’ve felt What I’ve known So sick and tired Tér laiv' ar lumba So sick and weary I stand alone Could you be there ’cause I’m the one who waits The one who waits for you I er i len larta The one who for you waits Oh What I’ve felt What I’ve known Turn the pages Turn the stone Behind the door Should I open it for you? So I dub thee unforgiven Sië estanyel úvatyaina Thus I name you unforgiven Oh, what I’ve felt Oh, what I’ve known I take this key Leptan patil sina I pick up this key And I bury it in you Ar antanyes len And I give it to you Because you’re unforgiven too An nál yando úvatyaina For you are also unforgiven Never free Tennoio ú lera Forever not free Never me Tennoio únin Forever not me ’cause you’re unforgiven too An nál yando úvatyaina For you are also unforgiven
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At last, the Poe one (not much, maybe I'll do some more later):
Yet if hope has flown away Mal ai estel iwÃ*lië oa, But if hope has flown away In a night or in a day Lómessë var auressë, In a night or in a day, In a vision, or in none Oloressë, var mi muntan, In a vision, or in nothing Is it therefore the less gone? Nás an i tyarwë mis vanwa? Is it for that reason less gone? Is all we see and seem Ná ilya celmë var ilya séyalmë Is all we see and all we seem Just a dream within a dream? Er olórë mi olórë? Just a dream within a dream?
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Wow, Falagar, you obviously have seas of time on your hands.
![]() I like the last poem, sounds pretty, both in English and Quenya. ![]() *pause* That was quenya, wasn't it?
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I did the first one between 2 and 4 AM, the other ones sometime during the middle of the day. It's in honour of the very unofficial Norwegian Tolkien-convention we're having tomorrow.
![]() ...and that was Quenya.
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Hm. So this is where you were telling me to go, Falagar?
![]() I should be studying Japanese... but why practice Japanese when you could start learning Quenya instead! ![]() I was trying to begin a poem by Raleigh... but I'd rather know how many hideous mistakes are in it before I get much further... Falagar? Wayfarer? Anyone else I don't know about yet...? If all the world and love were young, Mai ilyë Arda ar melmë ner vinyar, If all the Earth and love were young, And truth in every shepherd's tongue, Ar anwar quettar mi ilyë mavor lambarya, And true words within every shepherd his tongue, These pretty pleasures might me move Sinar vanyar alasser rúman These beautiful joys move me To live with thee and be thy love. Maruvan ólë ar ná melisselya. I abide with thee and be thy love. *ahem* Help! ![]()
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As it's 3 AM or so in the morning and I'm dead tired I wouldn't lay to much weight on my comments (nor on my old translations, none of them particulary good.
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Hantanyel! Panyanyes.
(is that right for "I fix it"?) [edited] How do you say guest... an entë nar ilyë nóme! ![]()
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Inyë ná quanta ormëo. Tengwar, utúvienyes. Sé coanya ëaryë. Nán sé Entmoot úëaryë. Inyë ná quanta ormëo. Nurvingiel carrya uryanë.
Yes. I'm mad. ![]() Yes. I'm ranting. ![]() No. I have no idea what I just wrote. ![]()
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*very gently pokes this thread*
Hallo. I hardly ever visit Entmoot, but I remember this thread- I used to come here with the aid of a Quenya-English dictionary and the Ardalabion and try to see what everyone is saying. Anyway, I'm learning Sindarin. I swear I'll actually learn it this time, and not reread the first lesson over and over and say I'm learning. So I thought I'd bump this thread up to the top, it hasn't been abandoned /that/ long, after all. In a while, perhaps I'll be able to converse in it too.
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