Gays, lesbians, bisexuals

[Nurvingiel]

The government gives tax breaks to married people only when one of the people is a dependent (doesn't work or doesn't make enough money) on the other. Further tax breaks are given for people who take care of children. The goal of these policies is to encourage people to take care of each other.

So maybe group marriage should be allowed? Except, I think there are other factors that might not make it fly. Like no one is lobbying for those that want group marriages.

This is really off-topic though. So... um... yay for gay, I say!

[brownjenkins]

the best solution might be to base benefits on a given situation as opposed to marriages or relations... we get that problem in the US... you can get benefits for caring for a blind relative in your home, but not the same if just caring for a blind "friend"

as far as marriage goes... remove it from the legal system all together

[Tamuril Sirfalas]

Originally Posted by The Wizard from Milan

I am a gay man. Out of the closet.
I had not seen this thread before.

I have read some, but not all of the posts. No, being gay is not a choice. I don't know if it is inborn, or if it is set by age two or whatever, but in my case the gender to which I was attracted was clearly defined at puberty. Girls just never interested me. Being gay was such a shameful thing in italy at that time, that when I reached puberty I did not realize immediately that being attracted to men = being gay. It took me a few years

oh now...i am a bisexual. i have just read the first page but this is a issue that still needs to be solved. being gay,lesbian, or bisexual is not a choice. it just happens and the person cant change how they feel. some people (who are not to be named) do not tolerate gays, lesbians and bisexuals and its so stupid. its unbelieveable how people think!!!! i was happy when they legallized gay marriages! my uncle is gay, my aunt and my cousin are lesbian and i support them all the way. each year i go to the gay pride parade and show my support for me and others. people with stereotypes like oh thats so gay and you are gay...i am quick to tell them what i think about their racism and stereotypes. i am proud to be bisexual and i hope that in the near future people will understand and actually accept gays, lesbians and bisexuals cheers,
Tamuril Sirfalas

[Tamuril Sirfalas]

Originally Posted by brownjenkins

the best solution might be to base benefits on a given situation as opposed to marriages or relations... we get that problem in the US... you can get benefits for caring for a blind relative in your home, but not the same if just caring for a blind "friend"

as far as marriage goes... remove it from the legal system all together

so you want to move "gay marriages" from the legal system? i am happy that it is legalize so dont you dare insult people or even suggest to people it should be taken from the legal system . accept gays, lesbians and bisexuals..god you people!!!

[Tamuril Sirfalas]

Originally Posted by Nurvingiel

The government gives tax breaks to married people only when one of the people is a dependent (doesn't work or doesn't make enough money) on the other. Further tax breaks are given for people who take care of children. The goal of these policies is to encourage people to take care of each other.

So maybe group marriage should be allowed? Except, I think there are other factors that might not make it fly. Like no one is lobbying for those that want group marriages.

This is really off-topic though. So... um... yay for gay, I say!

i say yay for lesbians bisexuals and gays!!!and group marriages? what are you talkin' about??? and thanks for retittling the thread!!!

[brownjenkins]

Originally Posted by Tamuril Sirfalas

so you want to move "gay marriages" from the legal system? i am happy that it is legalize so dont you dare insult people or even suggest to people it should be taken from the legal system . accept gays, lesbians and bisexuals..god you people!!!

not at all... read my posts in this thread... i'm on your side

however, in a perfect world i'd love to see marriage... heterosexual, homosexual, group, with your cat, etc. as a purely social function... take it out of the legal system entirely... there is really no good reason to keep it as a "legal" thing

[Spock]

Originally Posted by brownjenkins

however, in a perfect world i'd love to see marriage... heterosexual, homosexual, group, with your cat, etc. as a purely social function... take it out of the legal system entirely... there is really no good reason to keep it as a "legal" thing

I gotta stay away from this topic.....sigh

[Tamuril Sirfalas]

Originally Posted by brownjenkins

not at all... read my posts in this thread... i'm on your side

however, in a perfect world i'd love to see marriage... heterosexual, homosexual, group, with your cat, etc. as a purely social function... take it out of the legal system entirely... there is really no good reason to keep it as a "legal" thing

well then if its not legal then people will shun it from our society and we wont be allowed to do gay marriages


so you argree that it is good to have these marriages? i mean im a bisexual so i wont really have a problem when it comes to marriage but gays...and lesbians ?? i dunno

[brownjenkins]

Originally Posted by Tamuril Sirfalas

well then if its not legal then people will shun it from our society and we wont be allowed to do gay marriages

not quite... bring the practice back to what it once was... in the course of human history, making marriage a "legal" union is a relatively recent development... in fact, marriage in the religious sense is rather recent... it was purely a social statement in the past

[Tamuril Sirfalas]

Originally Posted by brownjenkins

not quite... bring the practice back to what it once was... in the course of human history, making marriage a "legal" union is a relatively recent development... in fact, marriage in the religious sense is rather recent... it was purely a social statement in the past

so if we take gay marriages outa the legal system then nothing will change and everything will be the same? well what is your true opinion of bisexuals gays and lesbians?

[Nurvingiel]

Originally Posted by Tamuril Sirfalas

i say yay for lesbians bisexuals and gays!!!and group marriages? what are you talkin' about??? and thanks for retittling the thread!!!

I didn't retitle this thread, the original thread started from back in the day, TinuvielChild, called it "Gays, lesbians, bisexuals". It just so happens you would have called a new thread the exact same thing! Cool eh?

I'm glad that you're out of the closet and proud of who you are. I think it's sad when people can't or won't accept who they are (this has broader applications than sexuality).

Originally Posted by brownjenkins

the best solution might be to base benefits on a given situation as opposed to marriages or relations... we get that problem in the US... you can get benefits for caring for a blind relative in your home, but not the same if just caring for a blind "friend"

as far as marriage goes... remove it from the legal system all together

That is an interesting solution Brownie. People who care for blind friends (or "friends") should get some kind of tax break. After all, they have a dependent too.
Sadly, this might be hard to put into practice. But I really like the idea behind it. Maybe there is a way to make this work.

Originally Posted by Spock

I gotta stay away from this topic.....sigh

Don't we all.

[brownjenkins]

Originally Posted by Tamuril Sirfalas

so if we take gay marriages outa the legal system then nothing will change and everything will be the same?

take ALL (<-- note, i said ALL, i.e. hetero AND homo ) marriages out of the legal system

Originally Posted by Tamuril Sirfalas

well what is your true opinion of bisexuals gays and lesbians?

i judge people as individuals, not because of sexual preference

[Spock]

Did you ever take into consideration that the majority of people prefer to leave those definitions and ceremonies IN the legal system. Thankfully society still recognizes the difference.

[brownjenkins]

Originally Posted by Spock

Did you ever take into consideration that the majority of people prefer to leave those definitions and ceremonies IN the legal system. Thankfully society still recognizes the difference.

obviously... i'm just asking for a good reason why... people rarely think about the reasons behind why they do what they do... and often, when they do, they realize that there really is no good reason... the trick is breaking the "tradition" barrier

[Spock]

Originally Posted by brownjenkins

obviously... i'm just asking for a good reason why...

Obviously you don't read what you write.

[QUOTE=brownjenkins]take ALL (<-- note, i said ALL, i.e. hetero AND homo ) marriages out of the legal system

Originally Posted by brownjenkins

i judge people as individuals, not because of sexual preference

I think most thinking people do. But that statement is a far cry from what you advocated.
IMO, tradition is part of the definition of who we are as a people and a society.

[inked]

Originally Posted by brownjenkins

not quite... bring the practice back to what it once was... in the course of human history, making marriage a "legal" union is a relatively recent development... in fact, marriage in the religious sense is rather recent... it was purely a social statement in the past

error! error! error! (Watch out for the robot and the electric bolts! Danger! Danger! Danger!) Marriage is a longstanding institution across virtually all known cultures. It had legal status and responsibilties recognized in all those cultures as conferring benefits and care to offspring (a notoriously impossible prospect for gays and lesbians and transgendered individuals since you need egg and sperm for reproduction), solidifying political alliances at the level of families, tribes, confederacies of tribes, and nation-states.

You may not regard that as legal, BJ, but those societies did. Check out the record of marriage in the Egyptian sources and Semitic sources dating back at least to ~1250 BCE.

I know facts bother you, but DO try to get them correct!

[inked]

Originally Posted by brownjenkins

obviously... i'm just asking for a good reason why... people rarely think about the reasons behind why they do what they do... and often, when they do, they realize that there really is no good reason... the trick is breaking the "tradition" barrier

Precisely my point above, BJ. The attempt to "legitimate" homosexual marriage is a DELIBERATE attempt to break tradition in all known societies historically (anaomalous individual situations acknowledged as anomalies, of course).

The reason it has to be "broken" is because it is normative throughout history to recognize marriage as betwixt male and female, not between two persons of the same gender (from birth or surgically).

[brownjenkins]

Originally Posted by inked

You may not regard that as legal, BJ, but those societies did. Check out the record of marriage in the Egyptian sources and Semitic sources dating back at least to ~1250 BCE.

I know facts bother you, but DO try to get them correct!

marriage existed as a legal institution for the cultural elite for a long time... but for the common man this is not the case at all... for much of human history it was neither legal or religious

[brownjenkins]

Originally Posted by inked

Precisely my point above, BJ. The attempt to "legitimate" homosexual marriage is a DELIBERATE attempt to break tradition in all known societies historically (anaomalous individual situations acknowledged as anomalies, of course).

The reason it has to be "broken" is because it is normative throughout history to recognize marriage as betwixt male and female, not between two persons of the same gender (from birth or surgically).

which is a good thing

tradition purely for its own sake is pointless

[Spock]

And anarchy for its own self is pointless.