What people think of Two Towers (*SPOILERS*)

[Lalaith]

Anybody know when the DVD of TT will be out?

I guess the normal edition in August and the extended version in November like FotR. I thought I read that somewhere.

[gandalfstormcrow]

Well, I heard the DVD for TTT will be out in June in Britain. Hopefully, that goes for North America too. I'm unsure whether or not it's the extended one. I doubt it. The extended one will probably be released in November, would make sense since FOTR was.

I can't wait for the extended DVD because there's more stuff cut from TTT than FOTR!

[Jill Tsuei]

I keep seeing people trying to team up Aragorn and Eowyn and thinking Eowyn a better match than Arwen, but why? Isn't it in the book that Eowyn loves Aragorn for the wrong reason? She sees Aragorn the king--the glory and valor, exactly what she's missing and longs for in her life--but not Aragorn the person, whereas Arwen has been there all along, not just in times when Aragorn is heroically leading an army into war but in times when Aragorn was still struggling with self-doubt and roaming; her love for Aragorn remains true and strong!

[Gwaimir Windgem]

I don't think Aragorn ever actually was into self-doubt was he? Wasn't that just one of the numberless fabrications of Jackson?

Other than that, I agree with you whole-heartedly. And Welcome to the Entmoot. If you want, you can head over to the Welcome thread in General Messages and introduce yourself to the Moot officially there.

[jerseydevil]

Originally posted by Gwaimir Windgem
I don't think Aragorn ever actually was into self-doubt was he? Wasn't that just one of the numberless fabrications of Jackson?

Yes it was completely a Jacksonification and had absolutely no resemblence to what was in the books.

[Gwaimir Windgem]

The halfwit strikes again.

-is feeling exceptionally halfwittish tonight-

[Linaewen]

Originally posted by jerseydevil
Yes it was completely a Jacksonification and had absolutely no resemblence to what was in the books.

Arghhhh! I'm starting to get mad about these Jacksonifications again! All brought about by the LotR-obsession thread. (We were directed to go back here to continue our bagging of TTT)

The things that probably irritate me the most are that:
-People see the movie, so they think that is all, there's nothing more to LotR since the movie encompassed it all (WRONG WRONG WRONG!)
-Said people may think the movie is good but the books are boring (Hello? When is the original ever worse?)
- Non-readers think that is how Faramir (one of my fave characters) really is.

[Lalaith]

I didn't see Aragorn liking Eowyn in the movie. I mean not more than a friend.
And don't blame PJ for all the mistakes etc. I think the production studio had something to say, too. And they wanted a blockbuster and not an exact adaption. I mean PJ is a Tolkien fan, why would he want to destroy the movie?

[Cirdan]

So I guess Eowyn, Aragorn, and Arwen having an "open" relationship is out of the question, eh?

[azalea]

I think Aragorn had doubts and frustrations in the book, just not self doubts, as in "I dont want to be king, etc."

[jerseydevil]

Originally posted by Linaewen
Arghhhh! I'm starting to get mad about these Jacksonifications again! All brought about by the LotR-obsession thread. (We were directed to go back here to continue our bagging of TTT)

Yeah - but that doesn't mean we can't come here and complain about the movie. This is the movie thread and not all of us liked it.

[azalea]

I don't know if you saw it, but she's referring to a thread in the books forum where I told everyone they had to come to this thread if they wanted to either complain about the movie or defend it, rather than use the thread in the books forum, which must be kept pristine and movie-free.

edit: changed to singular (TTT), since complaints about TFotR must be in the Opinion Thread. For complaints in general, there's one of those that Black Breathalizer started, if they haven't all been closed!

Oh, okay, general complaints/ arguing can be done in this one, but just be reasonable!

[jerseydevil]

Originally posted by azalea
I don't know if you saw it, but she's referring to a thread in the books forum where I told everyone they had to come to this thread if they wanted to either complain about the movie or defend it, rather than use the thread in the books forum, which must be kept pristine and movie-free.

I think I did last night. And yes - the Tolkien book forum should be kept clean of Jacksonification and movie discussion.

Oh, okay, general complaints/ arguing can be done in this one, but just be reasonable!

I thought I was being reasonable. Also - I started this thread - shouldn't I be able to complain in my OWN thread. Not to mention that I titled it - What people think of Two Towers

[azalea]

Yes, the reasonable part was addressed to the forum at large, not you. I was just kidding, in that technically "what people thought of TTT" is different than "book vs. movie," which is what was happening in the other thread, BUT this will have to do because the thread or two that were started as a "book vs. movie" discussion ended up getting closed due to lack of reasonableness.

[Gwaimir Windgem]

Originally posted by Lalaith
I mean PJ is a Tolkien fan, why would he want to destroy the movie?

A word of advice, Lalaith; don't believe everything someone says. Especially if they are a celebrity or other well-known individual. I even have doubts about Chris Lee.

[Elvengirl]

Well, I have heard Christopher Lee say he approves of some of the changes Jackson made. Though I don't doubt that he or Jackson is a fan. I think Jackson wanted to put his own thoughts into the movie to show he is a creative and capable director, rather than not have any part and just follow the books.

Though I wish he had.

[cassiopeia]

I was thinking about Christopher Lee when I was watching the DVD. They emphasise how many years he's read the book, and how much he knows about it; surely he could tell them the changes aren't good!

[jerseydevil]

Originally posted by Gwaimir Windgem
A word of advice, Lalaith; don't believe everything someone says. Especially if they are a celebrity or other well-known individual. I even have doubts about Chris Lee.

Very true - especially since on the DVD Jackson states that he just wanted to make a fantasy movie and thought "Hey - why not just make Lord of the Rings"

I have serious questions as to how much of a fan Jackson is. Personally I think he knew it was almost a sure hit - even if he only did it half right - so that's why he picked it. I don't really think him making the movie had anything to do with being a fan. He knew to get the real fans excited about the movie though - he had to come off as a true fan.

[Gwaimir Windgem]

I was thinking about Christopher Lee when I was watching the DVD. They emphasise how many years he's read the book, and how much he knows about it; surely he could tell them the changes aren't good!

Yeah; and didn't the man mispronounce Khazad-dum? It sounded to me like he ran the "kh" into a single "Bach" style sound, while I believe according to the book, in Khuzdul "kh" is pronounced as two separate sounds "k-h".

Ditto, JD. I don't think PJ is concerned so much with the Lord of the Rings as he claims; I mean, if he were such a dedicated fan, why is he more concerned with making a movie to appeal to the masses than preserving the original story and characters of Tolkien; and why does he change the characters around, when Tolkien explicitly said he would detest that more than ruination of the plot; and why does he make the Orcs look nothing like Tolkien said they did?

[BeardofPants]

Originally posted by jerseydevil
Personally I think he knew it was almost a sure hit - even if he only did it half right - so that's why he picked it.

I dunno JD. Prior to PJ's adaption, Stanley Kubrick said it would be impossible to film, and this was pretty much the prevailing feeling at that time. I may not like the movies, but I can appreciate that this wasn't an easy movie to make, or that it would necessarily have been an easy hit. Remember: people have tried and failed, prior to Jackson. That he's had this degree of success is some credit to him, even if they're not particularly to our taste.