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Hate to say this Coney but when France and Britain carved up the Ottoman Empire Iraq was an artificial creation-unsustainible without a workable federal system (highly unlikely in the ME where the only truly multicultural country in the region is none other then that evil racist state Israel). That's why invading it is stupid-the mess involved in deposing Saddam, as dangerous as he is would be very great. I don't like the U.S's ability to create a controlled demolition.
As to carving up a palestinina state-this is unrealted, but as a Zionist I'm commited to defending against such obvious ignorance of the situation. The British handed over present day Israel and Jordan to the Zionists as a homeland with explicitly protected minority rights. Most palestinians were pushing for pan-Syrian nationalism at the time. WInston Churchill gave Jordan over to the Hashemites, and closed it to Jewish settlement (i.e 2/3 of palestine was made arab in 1922,). The rest was settled by Jews and arabs from around the Middle East. In 1937 and 1947 there were plans to partion the remains of the mandate between Jews and Arabs-and both partitions were accepted by the Jews and rejected by the Arabs, resulting in a war that rages on to this day. How does this relate to Iraq? Iraq should really be partitioned-but it won't because someone won't accept the idea.
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Ive been gone from the forums for quite a while now, and this thread is too long to have read all the posts; sorry if I repeat something someone had already said.
The war on iraq would have nothing to do with morals or "making the world a safer place." It would be a war completely driven for economic purposes, oil especially. America tries too hard to police the globe, and thats why many countries hate America. the U.S. has chose conflicts in Europe and the Middle East to benefit the economy. An example of this is the Armenian Genocide, but i do not want to stir up any problems, so, ill leave it at that. If America could stop interfering as much as it does in foreign affairs, there would be more peace throughout the world. Sometimes fighting is necesarry and is inevitable. If we had not gone to war in World War II, the globe would probably be dominated by fascism. This isnt like that at all. If the United States is sincerely worried about Iraq's biological, chemical, and nuclear capabilities, then they would let the war be led by the UN, not America. That,I think, will not happen, for bush is a war economy fanatic. Many religious ideas, such as the Bible and Indian folklore, point to the destruction of the world: famine, war, uncontrollable fire, etc. At this point in time we should focus in the preservation of the human race, not the destruction of it; we shall have to strive for peace. If my post has sounded in any way "anti-American," I would just like to say I am in no way so. I love my country and I am proud to live in a place where I can govern my own life and not be persecuted for such things as religion or race.
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And are you kidding me about the UN? The UN is about the weakest organization out there, I don't think you can get any weaker. Also, I did not vote for bush, nor am I a republican, but I feel very strongly about going to war against Iraq and I think more importantly we need to watch North Korea more intently than we have been. And about the whole France/Germany crap and them wanting more inspectors. First of all, inspectors are only scientists, not weapons experts, there is 1 yes 1 weapons expert out of the entire lot of inspectors now in Iraq. Countless inspectors have said Iraq is hiding weapons and they are constantly moving them. The US has also provided proof, yes PROOF, that Iraq is doing everything in their power to deceive the world and to also build weapons in violation of their disarmament agreement, that the UN made them sign, yes the UN... It is laughable also about the countries wanting peace. What do you think we want? If we allow Iraq to build up, then what do you think they will do? They will attack those that are keeping to themselves, and most likely he will invade a country for land again, as he did to Iran and Kuwait. And yes, oil is important, it is just as important to America as it is any other country, if we have some madman at the helm of the biggest worlds resource then we are all in trouble, especially if he decides to let off one of his bombs and then we all are out of oil plus our lives in general will be in danger. To say the US are warmongers is ridiculous also. If that were the case, do you really think we would have waited this long to fight? We have put this war off for almost a year now just to appease the world and to give Iraq a second and third and fourth and so on and so on chance. Open your eyes.... Quote:
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I agree Dúnedain. I wrote these two e-mails to the BBC yesterday in regards to two questions they asked. Not that they'd post them though.
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A wise historian once said, LEARN FROM THOSE WHO HAVE LIVED BEFORE YOU. History has proven time and time again that it repeats itself, and yet the world still remains blind in seeing that it is just repeating itself again...
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'Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta!' - And those were the words that Elendil spoke when he came up out of the Sea on the wings of the wind: 'Out of the Great Sea to Middle-earth I am come. In this place will I abide, and my heirs, unto the ending of the world.' 'Then Tuor arrayed himself in the hauberk, and set the helm upon his head, and he girt himself with the sword; black were sheath and belt with clasps of silver. Thus armed he went forth from Turgon's hall, and stood upon the high terraces of Taras in the red light of the sun. None were there to see him, as he gazed westward, gleaming in silver and gold, and he knew not that in that hour he appeared as one of the Mighty of the West, and fit to be father of the kings of the Kings of Men beyond the Sea, as it was indeed his doom to be; but in the taking of those arms a change came upon Tuor son of Huor, and his heart grew great within him. And as he stepped down from the doors the swans did him reverence, and plucking each a great feather from their wings they proffered them to him, laying their long necks upon the stone before his feet; and he took the seven feathers and set them in the crest of his helm, and straightway the swans arose and flew north in the sunset, and Tuor saw them no more.' -Of Tuor and his Coming to Gondolin "Oh. Forgive me, fairest of all males of Entmoot...Back down, all ye other wannabe fairest males! Dunedain is the fairest!" --Linaewen |
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I love the Saturday Night Live skits they're having about the UN and the peace marchers. It's so funny. SNL had "Powell" give his speech - then afterward the other members started saying how they wanted to go out to lunch to really expensive restaurants, use their diplomatic immunity and go shop lifting at Tiffanys, etc. It was funny. I imagine this Saturday they'll have a bunch of stuff to say about Franch and Germany.
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I've been keeping up daily on the Iraq issue for some time now, as well as North Korea, and I couldn't agree with you more, jerseydevil and Dúnedain. When Colin Powell gave his speech, Iraq denied the evidence and the other countries ignored it. The UN Council, both with Iraq and North Korea have chosen to ignore their own resolutions. Those resolutions were meant to keep those countries in line, but that was assuming a different character in the governments of those countries than has been observed. Saddam Hussein has openly violated the UN's resolutions time and again, openly and for everyone to see. You have to bend the resolutions in loops to be able to avoid taking their meaning for what it was. I believe that the UN Council, after this war with Iraq is over, could be in danger of that irrelevancy it was warned of approaching.
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This is the "Talking Point" I was responding to in my above e-mailing to the BBC concerning France and Iraq Is France right to force a split on Iraq? Someone had sent them the following which I thought was funny. Quote:
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It's true that France and Germany are large players in the EU. Isn't that logical? They're big countries, with large populations. And naturally they'll want to have a lot to say in Europe. I don't agree with some of the stuff they want either. But really! A new Europe.... jezus... Tiny Belgium does NOT think that Germany and France will establish a new Europe. That's NOT why we are against this war! But it seems to me you can't understand that some countries want to exhaust all other options before bringing out the big guns. Also there was NEVER a time before now that I was worried about 'the "arrogant" country across the Atlantic. But this being bent on war without even justifiable evidence and without even thinking about the consequences it will bring in this world scares the hell out of me!
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