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brownjenkins · 02-04-2009, 08:36 PM

Do you have kids inked?

That's where I find my meaning; sharing my life with them.

It matters not whether they or I live for another fifty years or perish after getting hit by an asteroid tomorrow. Today is today.

The "reason" for being is enjoying life with the people around us. Entertaining one another and making each other happy. Finding joy in the joys of others. Doing something good for another person for no other reason than the fact that it makes them happy and, in turn, you.

It seems to me that if you have to look outside your own life for meaning, you really don't know what meaning is.

Coffeehouse · 02-04-2009, 08:50 PM

Really I couldn't agree more with that Brownjenkins!

And yet again, that's where there seems to be much confusion reigning amongst people. Expecting science, since it opens up the curtains as to how things are, how the whole system of the world interacts, also to provide meaning. Even accusing science of defeating the meaning of life. But science does not really take it away nor enhance that meaning. It simply discovers this is how things are on the planet, outside in the universe. How human beings want to abide their time on this planet is another matter, not one that science can fulfill in the long run.

Count Comfect · 02-05-2009, 02:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coffeehouse

Really I couldn't agree more with that Brownjenkins!

And yet again, that's where there seems to be much confusion reigning amongst people. Expecting science, since it opens up the curtains as to how things are, how the whole system of the world interacts, also to provide meaning. Even accusing science of defeating the meaning of life. But science does not really take it away nor enhance that meaning. It simply discovers this is how things are on the planet, outside in the universe. How human beings want to abide their time on this planet is another matter, not one that science can fulfill in the long run.

Agreed. Unless what they want to do while they abide on this planet is science!

inked · 02-05-2009, 04:27 PM

Ahh, now we have all arrived at the same place for once. Science is NOT about meaning at all, no way, not one whit. Science is merely HOW things are and work. No argument at all.

Meaning derives from other than science. In fact, meaning is brought to science by other than science. Science has no capability for analysis of good or other than good.

Which gets us to what those valuations arise from, of course, but for once we are all agreed that valuations do not arise from nor are conferred by science.

Now, BJ et alia, we can move onto the philosophy or religion threads!

GrayMouser · 02-09-2009, 05:27 AM

One -man Stonehenge

http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/20...stonehenge.php

***Jonathan*** · 02-09-2009, 01:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GrayMouser

One -man Stonehenge

http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/20...stonehenge.php

Ooh, impressive!

And what an extraordinary pastime

sisterandcousinandaunt · 02-09-2009, 02:11 PM

Every piece of science done should start with this quote, and a question.

Bowler Hat Guy: Now, to lure him out of the house... I know! I'll blow it up! Yes! Yes, and... uh... no... no. That won't work. Then he'll be dead. Oh, I know! I'll turn him into a duck! Yes, it's so evil! Oh... I don't know how to do that... and I don't really need a duck... this may be harder than I thought.

"Do I really need a duck?"

Nautipus · 02-11-2009, 11:30 AM

*snort* Quite.

Nautipus · 02-11-2009, 10:09 PM

Hehe

I'll be doin this soon for sure.

***Earniel*** · 02-12-2009, 06:06 AM

Darwin Day!

200 years ago some fellow by the name of Charles Darwin was born, one of the most influential scientists of our history.

Have a nice Darwin's frog for celebration!

Nerdanel · 02-12-2009, 06:15 AM

i haven't exactly been following this thread, so i'm sorry if you've already seen and discussed this: 15 Evolutionary Gems.

and yes, it is indeed darwin day.

celebrate good times!

Nerdanel · 02-12-2009, 06:59 AM

a short interview with my favourite person, david attenborough, about my favourite subject, evolution. 8)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uz7U4k522Pg

Count Comfect · 02-12-2009, 09:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eärniel

Darwin Day!

200 years ago some fellow by the name of Charles Darwin was born, one of the most influential scientists of our history.

Have a nice Darwin's frog for celebration!

Don't mind if I do! Good eatin'!

But seriously, Happy Birthday, Charles!

The Gaffer · 02-12-2009, 12:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nerdanel

a short interview with my favourite person, david attenborough, about my favourite subject, evolution. 8)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uz7U4k522Pg

Nerdy, watch out for a new BBC documentary by him about evolution. The man's a legend.

***Earniel*** · 02-12-2009, 01:49 PM

Ooh, I've got that one taped but didn't get to see it yet. Thanks for reminding me, Gaffer.

I

sir David.

Nautipus · 02-12-2009, 11:26 PM

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/20...ernationalnews

Almost sounds like a joke, dunnit?

***Earniel*** · 02-13-2009, 04:49 AM

It does, yeah. But if it is one, it's an elaborate one. There's an article on National Geographic, and several newspaper sites, dating from different years.
And the photographer mentioned has his own site with several photos. I've never heard of these Bili apes, but most articles seem indeed to treat it as a previous cryptid discovered.

I do wish the fellow in the article wouldn't go on and on about 'culture', though. It's misleading.

Nautipus · 02-13-2009, 09:10 AM

It is something that isnt as altogether surprising as it could be, they've known for several year that chimps will hunt other primates, and even other chimps. But for one to kill a lion?...It is rather far fetched. But definately very cool. Kinda feels like we're in a Michael Crichton book.

***Earniel*** · 02-13-2009, 10:03 AM

The lion-eating seems part of the legend, though. They were seen feeding off a leopard carcass, but even the researcher was quick to point out that doesn't mean they also actively kill big cats. And a lion and a leopard are two quite different types of cat too.

There is an actual Michael Crichton book concerning big apes in Congo. Haven't read it, but it too crossed my mind when reading the article.

Nautipus · 02-13-2009, 11:12 AM

I'm not a big fan of Crichton. He's very dry. But I did read that book, so it got me thinking.

True, though, about the difference between a lion and a Leopard. Although, in a Congo setting, I'd be even more leery of the leopard than the lion.

02-04-2009, 08:36 PM	#661
brownjenkins Advocatus Diaboli Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Reality Posts: 3,767	Do you have kids inked? That's where I find my meaning; sharing my life with them. It matters not whether they or I live for another fifty years or perish after getting hit by an asteroid tomorrow. Today is today. The "reason" for being is enjoying life with the people around us. Entertaining one another and making each other happy. Finding joy in the joys of others. Doing something good for another person for no other reason than the fact that it makes them happy and, in turn, you. It seems to me that if you have to look outside your own life for meaning, you really don't know what meaning is. __________________ Your reality, sir, is lies and balderdash and I'm delighted to say that I have no grasp of it whatsoever.

02-04-2009, 08:50 PM	#662
Coffeehouse Entmoot Minister of Foreign Affairs Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Copenhagen Posts: 2,145	Really I couldn't agree more with that Brownjenkins! And yet again, that's where there seems to be much confusion reigning amongst people. Expecting science, since it opens up the curtains as to how things are, how the whole system of the world interacts, also to provide meaning. Even accusing science of defeating the meaning of life. But science does not really take it away nor enhance that meaning. It simply discovers this is how things are on the planet, outside in the universe. How human beings want to abide their time on this planet is another matter, not one that science can fulfill in the long run. __________________ "Well, thief! I smell you and I feel your air. I hear your breath. Come along! Help yourself again, there is plenty and to spare."

02-05-2009, 04:27 PM	#664
inked Elf Lord Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: sikeston, MO, usa, earth, sol Posts: 3,114	Ahh, now we have all arrived at the same place for once. Science is NOT about meaning at all, no way, not one whit. Science is merely HOW things are and work. No argument at all. Meaning derives from other than science. In fact, meaning is brought to science by other than science. Science has no capability for analysis of good or other than good. Which gets us to what those valuations arise from, of course, but for once we are all agreed that valuations do not arise from nor are conferred by science. Now, BJ et alia, we can move onto the philosophy or religion threads! __________________ Inked "Aslan is not a tame lion." CSL/LWW "The new school [acts] as if it required...courage to say a blasphemy. There is only one thing that requires real courage to say, and that is a truism." GK Chesterton "And there is always the danger of allowing people to suppose that our modern times are so wholly unlike any other times that the fundamental facts about man's nature have wholly changed with changing circumstances." Dorothy L. Sayers, 1 Sept. 1941

02-09-2009, 05:27 AM	#665
GrayMouser Elf Lord Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Ilha Formosa Posts: 2,068	One -man Stonehenge http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/20...stonehenge.php __________________ Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep. Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man; But will they come when you do call for them? "I like pigs. Dogs look up to us, cats look down on us, but pigs treat us as equals."- Winston Churchill

02-09-2009, 02:11 PM	#667
sisterandcousinandaunt Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 4,535	Every piece of science done should start with this quote, and a question. Bowler Hat Guy: Now, to lure him out of the house... I know! I'll blow it up! Yes! Yes, and... uh... no... no. That won't work. Then he'll be dead. Oh, I know! I'll turn him into a duck! Yes, it's so evil! Oh... I don't know how to do that... and I don't really need a duck... this may be harder than I thought. "Do I really need a duck?" __________________ That would be the swirling vortex to another world. Cool. I want one. TMNT No, I'm not emo. I just have a really poor sense of direction. (Thanks to katya for this quote) This is the best news story EVER! http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26087293/ “Often my haste is a mistake, but I live with the consequences without complaint.”...John McCain "I shall go back. And I shall find that therapist. And I shall whack her upside her head with my blanket full of rocks." ...Louisa May

02-11-2009, 11:30 AM	#668
Nautipus Kraken King Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Under the sea Posts: 2,714	snort Quite. __________________ Being the King of these Beings, This is my Child One of my top ten favorite movies. "You ever try to flick a fly? "No." "It's a waste of time." "Can you see it?" "No." "It's right there!" "Where? "There!" "What is it?" "A crab." "A crab? I dont see any crab." "How?! It's right there!!" "Where?" "There!!!!" "Oh." -Excerpts from A Tale of Two Morons One of the best Global Warming Messages out there

02-11-2009, 10:09 PM	#669
Nautipus Kraken King Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Under the sea Posts: 2,714	Hehe I'll be doin this soon for sure. __________________ Being the King of these Beings, This is my Child One of my top ten favorite movies. "You ever try to flick a fly? "No." "It's a waste of time." "Can you see it?" "No." "It's right there!" "Where? "There!" "What is it?" "A crab." "A crab? I dont see any crab." "How?! It's right there!!" "Where?" "There!!!!" "Oh." -Excerpts from A Tale of Two Morons One of the best Global Warming Messages out there

02-12-2009, 06:06 AM	#670
*Earniel* The Chocoholic Sea Elf Administrator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: N?n in Eilph (Belgium) Posts: 14,363	Darwin Day! 200 years ago some fellow by the name of Charles Darwin was born, one of the most influential scientists of our history. Have a nice Darwin's frog for celebration! __________________ We are not things.

02-12-2009, 06:15 AM	#671
Nerdanel Spammer of the Happy Thread Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Helsinki, Finland Posts: 3,512	i haven't exactly been following this thread, so i'm sorry if you've already seen and discussed this: 15 Evolutionary Gems. and yes, it is indeed darwin day. celebrate good times! __________________ "Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known. " - C. Sagan My (photography) website My Flickr page

02-12-2009, 06:59 AM	#672
Nerdanel Spammer of the Happy Thread Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Helsinki, Finland Posts: 3,512	a short interview with my favourite person, david attenborough, about my favourite subject, evolution. 8) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uz7U4k522Pg __________________ "Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known. " - C. Sagan My (photography) website My Flickr page

02-12-2009, 01:49 PM	#675
*Earniel* The Chocoholic Sea Elf Administrator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: N?n in Eilph (Belgium) Posts: 14,363	Ooh, I've got that one taped but didn't get to see it yet. Thanks for reminding me, Gaffer. I sir David. __________________ We are not things.

02-12-2009, 11:26 PM	#676
Nautipus Kraken King Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Under the sea Posts: 2,714	http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/20...ernationalnews Almost sounds like a joke, dunnit? __________________ Being the King of these Beings, This is my Child One of my top ten favorite movies. "You ever try to flick a fly? "No." "It's a waste of time." "Can you see it?" "No." "It's right there!" "Where? "There!" "What is it?" "A crab." "A crab? I dont see any crab." "How?! It's right there!!" "Where?" "There!!!!" "Oh." -Excerpts from A Tale of Two Morons One of the best Global Warming Messages out there

02-13-2009, 04:49 AM	#677
*Earniel* The Chocoholic Sea Elf Administrator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: N?n in Eilph (Belgium) Posts: 14,363	It does, yeah. But if it is one, it's an elaborate one. There's an article on National Geographic, and several newspaper sites, dating from different years. And the photographer mentioned has his own site with several photos. I've never heard of these Bili apes, but most articles seem indeed to treat it as a previous cryptid discovered. I do wish the fellow in the article wouldn't go on and on about 'culture', though. It's misleading. __________________ We are not things.

02-13-2009, 09:10 AM	#678
Nautipus Kraken King Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Under the sea Posts: 2,714	It is something that isnt as altogether surprising as it could be, they've known for several year that chimps will hunt other primates, and even other chimps. But for one to kill a lion?...It is rather far fetched. But definately very cool. Kinda feels like we're in a Michael Crichton book. __________________ Being the King of these Beings, This is my Child One of my top ten favorite movies. "You ever try to flick a fly? "No." "It's a waste of time." "Can you see it?" "No." "It's right there!" "Where? "There!" "What is it?" "A crab." "A crab? I dont see any crab." "How?! It's right there!!" "Where?" "There!!!!" "Oh." -Excerpts from A Tale of Two Morons One of the best Global Warming Messages out there

02-13-2009, 10:03 AM	#679
*Earniel* The Chocoholic Sea Elf Administrator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: N?n in Eilph (Belgium) Posts: 14,363	The lion-eating seems part of the legend, though. They were seen feeding off a leopard carcass, but even the researcher was quick to point out that doesn't mean they also actively kill big cats. And a lion and a leopard are two quite different types of cat too. There is an actual Michael Crichton book concerning big apes in Congo. Haven't read it, but it too crossed my mind when reading the article. __________________ We are not things.

02-13-2009, 11:12 AM	#680
Nautipus Kraken King Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Under the sea Posts: 2,714	I'm not a big fan of Crichton. He's very dry. But I did read that book, so it got me thinking. True, though, about the difference between a lion and a Leopard. Although, in a Congo setting, I'd be even more leery of the leopard than the lion. __________________ Being the King of these Beings, This is my Child One of my top ten favorite movies. "You ever try to flick a fly? "No." "It's a waste of time." "Can you see it?" "No." "It's right there!" "Where? "There!" "What is it?" "A crab." "A crab? I dont see any crab." "How?! It's right there!!" "Where?" "There!!!!" "Oh." -Excerpts from A Tale of Two Morons One of the best Global Warming Messages out there

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