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11-01-2004, 12:21 PM | #664 | ||
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I feel the parallels with WWII and the war on terrorism are valid. I think there is a part of the world - just like prior to world war II who seeks appeasement and the status quo - while another part - lead by Bush wishes to make the hard decisions and take on the middle east.
Hitler may not be a terrorist - but if saddam hussein had the capability - he would have been a Hitler. As for Churchill being articulate and so forth. Prior to WWII - a lot of people did not like him at all. In Peace to End All Peace - which I was reading yesterday. Quote:
Bush may not be the greatest speaker - but that does not mean he does not understand the importance of changing the Middle East to destroy the terrorists. A lot of people suck at speaking - it has nothing to do with their intelligence. Hell most southerners - sorry to say with their accents - sound like morons (sorry Khamul ). Listen to how Edwards pronounces most of his words. Khamul even had said on this board (think it was the venting thread) that he wishes people wouldn't reduce 10 IQ points from him after they hear him speak. I think the main importance is to "shrink the gap" - as Thomas Barnett says in "The Pentagon's New Map". The gap is the area which is cut off from the modern world - North Korea, Middle East, central America. The importance is to bring them into the world and make them a part of the world community. Barnett states the importance of having our allies understand this concept. I'm not sure how well Bush has done this - it seems in many respects he has done a good job, in others not so good. But then again - France has generally been a thorn in our side. In the book, Barnett stresses that the worst thing that can happen would be for the "Core" (that part of the world that is ruled by trade and economics) to fracture and split into the America versus the EU (and Russia) versus China. France wants to create this world, as Chirac has stated this repeatedly. For those who have high speed net connection - you can watch a 3 hour presentation Barnett gave or there is a link to buy it from C-SPAN. Quote:
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11-01-2004, 01:32 PM | #666 | |
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It's interesting that Bush is implementing this high-minded Project. Two things though: 1) he doesn't tend to mention it in public too often; 2) how many potential Bush-voters realise they're voting for an unspecified military intervention in unspecified countries for as long as they tell you it will take? With the greatest respect, up yours, Janny . I was demonstrating against Saddam when Reagan and Thatcher and all the rest of those oh-so principled free marketeer types were bankrolling Hussein. In the 80s, a good friend of mine was an Iraqi Kurd refugee whose family were killed by Saddam and it was him to opened my eyes to what "our man in Baghdad" was up to. |
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11-01-2004, 01:36 PM | #667 | ||
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I'm voting early tomorrow - I think it will be a zoo after work hours! I just hope there's a clear winner tomorrow and it won't get dragged out...
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I plan to vote first thing as well...
OK - I asked earlier about predictions/projections. Now I have a more specific question: Most people are projecting a close race, but if the first thing you hear when you wake up Wednesday morning is, "...won by a landslide." What is your first thought? That it was Kerry who won, or Bush?
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I think it would be... Bush... *cries* I know I'm not American and not voting, but the outcome does matter to the rest of the world. We all have our preferences. (I'm the second-most prolific poster in this thread! )
So who's coming to the election after-party? What time should we have it (people who know when the results are in)?
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I still think that the election coverage should be restricted to when the electoral votes are counted in the House of Representatives.
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EDIT: Oh, it's right on this page. You mean the death toll survey in Iraq? (We just studied surveys. I'm not convinced about the statistical significance of their results. They might have accidentally introduced bias [as in wrong data] into their results by doing the surveys in clusters. I should look at the initial post on that again.) Well, the Guardian isn't the only biased newpaper out there... every paper is biased on something. Some are more biased than others. Some manage to even keep reporting complete and factual stories despite the bias. *cheers for her home town newspaper* Quote:
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Im also leary about all the problems that have now been magnified after the 2000 debacle. It sounds like you are going to have warring factions of republican and democratic lawyers in a tug of war over every debatable voter situation. And that sounds like chaos to me. Lets hope it doesnt work out that way. Also, they are having a real hard time getting volunteers to work the polls. They only have as many as they had last time and they are anticipating MUCH greater turn out on TOP of all the extra scrutiny. That too is a recipe for disaster so steel yourselves people. As to the winner well Bush still seems to still have an effective spell over many of the populace with his security/terrorism hypnotics. And I just cant imagine that changes on the last day. But then the Redskins DID lose yesterday... What I want to know is which state(s) do you think it will come down to. My prediction is Ohio and/or Pennsylvania. Lost of electoral votes available in those states and if either candidate gets both I think its a lock for them. And they are both really close (Pennsylvania at least). Although you will certainly see Minnesota and Iowa and Wisconsin playing a big part as well. And of course.... the dreaded Florida... did you all hear about how they LOST 60,000 absentee ballets already?! 60,000!! Imagine if they had lost 60,000 ballets in 2000 when the state came down to like 500 votes. yikes!!
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11-01-2004, 03:35 PM | #678 | |
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JD, don't worry. You heard the song, the guys just confused. Last Child, thanks. Lord who> Isn't that forgotten already? Any, wasn't the intelligence in that report faulty... Did the Redskins win? Is it true that the result was controversial?! Oh the omens...
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I see that Janny hasn't explained who Mark Steyn is - he's a pro-Bush journalist who writes for the Spectator and the Daily Telegraph. I think he's Canadian, but he's very pro-US, especially US foreign policy. He has this great style of writing of the "I can't believe he just said that" variety, and he's also very funny. Actually I tend to think of him as the Canadian JD
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I might have written... thank you for your letter, I had just run out of birdcage liner... I still think their statistics are suspect in that study, it does appear that way at least. Eek! I sound like I support Bush! Noooooo go Kerry! I really think Kerry has potential to be a good President. Just out of curiosity JD (or anyone who cares to comment) who did you want to see win our election? EDIT: Cross-post with Janny and Sun-star. Lol Janny! I dunno Sun-star, JD isn't an 'I can't believe you just said that" kind of writer. Oh wait you were kidding. I've never heard of the guy so I won't comment further. And no, I don't know Billy or Susie from Canada, though I'm sure they're really nice.
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