10-10-2005, 08:29 PM | #641 |
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And with this I return to my regularly scheduled activity-watching only.
InsofarasviewsandopinionsaredevolvingtowardschaosI shallnolongerparticipateinthisparticularthreadsave toadheretomoddutiesandkeepacheckonallposts.
I leave with these parting quotes from two of our great thinkers on the Moot: "If everyone agreed with me all the time, everything would be just fine"- JerseyDevil And another quote, it's author eludes me: "Never argue with an idiot, they drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience."
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10-11-2005, 12:15 PM | #644 |
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So... hrm... the topic... Yay for gay, I say! I said that ages ago, but it's worth re-saying.
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But I can still address the hypothetical religion part. To work Homeric-style, I'll answer the last first - If I were a citizen of Posteeland, and I thought having sex "missionary style" was fine, then I would petition to change the laws. If the laws didn't change and it bothered me enough, then I suppose I would consider moving to another country, altho that is a big move. Or I would find ways to try to get around it, or I would marry anyway and use the missionary position and risk getting caught. How would they find out if we were using the missionary position, btw? See, that's something that is NOT analogous to the situation of gay marriage. If people want to have homosexual sex in the privacy of their homes, then I don't think society should stop them (in terms of trying to pass legislation). It's only when this is brought out INTO society, in terms of "we think marriage laws should be changed", that I (as a member of society) am now involved, and can and do vote on the issue. Also, I think the main problem here is that most "non-religious" people here are incorrectly labelling my beliefs as what they call "religion". That is clear by the use of your word "archaic" when you say, "There is a growing movement to change the law; supporters state it's archaic to say two loving people can't get married just because they have sex a certain way." This is an extremely important thing to point out, and I hope I can explain it here. By "archaic", you basically mean that this idea does not now accurately reflect current reality, right? (and I think I"ll stop here until I get your response to what I've written in this post, since it's already a lot to respond to! )
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10-12-2005, 02:08 PM | #648 |
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Whew!
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Perhaps this a random post, but it is on topic.
I've really been interested in the 'right to marry-same sex' issue, because some of us can legally marry either way we stand on that small but of 'fluff' of reality to comment. My comment today is the "slippery slope' argument that is so often used against letting BETTY marry VERONICA. If they're allowed to marry, soon every ‘outside’ scenario will or should be honored with equal rights....yadayadayada If I bring my work horse to the races and demand I get to run it around the track with the thorough breds what's to say the chicken riders won't want to race too. Well, that's for the chicken riders to battle. But there is 'realistic and legitimate' room for debate for entering my work horse...no slippery slope, we're dealing with legal age people trying to gain a 'right' that others have...there is a measure of justice to that IMHO. I'm not, in reality, strictly for it, I think it is debatable, but at least a Civil Union concession for a legitimate “college-try” should be on the table, and the best strategy for all.
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10-12-2005, 02:17 PM | #650 |
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HEY, was that a chicken joke?
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10-12-2005, 02:25 PM | #652 |
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*checks post* Well, it wasn't clear - this is what I said, "It's only when this is brought out INTO society, in terms of "we think this law should be changed", that I (as a member of society) am now involved, and can and do vote on the issue." I meant gay marriage by "this is brought out" and "this law" I'll go back and edit and make it more clear that's what I meant. Quote:
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It just seems to boil down to "this is what I think" over and over, and how can anyone say, "I'm right and you're not, so don't vote what you think on this issue." ? It just seems like the best option, in a field of bad options, is to just put it to a vote, and let everyone in the society vote for what they think is right.
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The arena of Civil Rights has always found it's justice through legislative and judicial warfare, the populace (The majority) tagged along behind on many of the ‘right’s so many of us take for granted in this generation. (ehh, long sentence)
Oh, wait…are we still in discussion over whether this a “Civil Right” we’re discussing?
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I'm using "law" in a rather looser sense - I suppose technically it's a statute or regulation or something like that that describes who can get a marriage license.
You're not saying that homosexuals could marry a decade or so back, are you?
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The Hypothetical religion thing wasn't meant to be analytical, but to pose a moral question in a neutral way. (I'm not saying your views are archaic by this story.)
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But, you raise a good point about your own views. Why isn't it religious? I thought that you are not okay with gay marriage because of religious beliefs.
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