Muslims

[Insidious Rex]

Originally Posted by Lief Erikson

Jesus said, "I am the way." He also said that people must follow him. If people refuse to follow him, or become content with keeping some parts of their lives to themselves and not surrendering those parts of themselves to Jesus, then yes, they aren't Christians. Or at least they are wrong. At best they're only part Christians. Every part of our lives must become like God. As Jesus said, "be perfect, as my Father in heaven is perfect."

By these standards I dare say there are significantly less christians in the world then one would assume from declaration alone.

What are your thoughts on the millions of christians and in fact those entire denomination partitions that hold that its biblically accurate that homosexuality is not a sin and/or that gay marriage is ok? Are they non christians too?

[Insidious Rex]

Originally Posted by Spock

HELLO, remember I said Christianity relies on mostly the New Testament.

Islam hasn't changed it's 'rules' in centuries.

Christians will take from the bible whatever they want to. Old or New Testament. It seems many here want to use the "old testament doesnt apply to us" loop hole when its too their convenience but that they dont apply the same restrictions when they want to support other things like creation and such.

And what 'rules' exactly has christianity changed in the past few centuries? Wouldnt that be considered blasphemy? A man altering the word of god?

From how I see it BOTH religions are followed by millions who choose to interpret their holy scriptures in the ways that seem logical to them. So frankly the absolutist point of view doesn’t seem to apply to well on a mass scale.

[inked]

Originally Posted by Insidious Rex

By these standards I dare say there are significantly less christians in the world then one would assume from declaration alone.

What are your thoughts on the millions of christians and in fact those entire denomination partitions that hold that its biblically accurate that homosexuality is not a sin and/or that gay marriage is ok? Are they non christians too?

Wrong, IR, is the word we use for that. Sorta like, "the fundamentalists in Islam are wrong" like you have said.

[Insidious Rex]

Who gets to decide then? I mean here on earth...

[Lotesse]

What's all this going on and on about Christianity here; I thought this was supposed to be a thread on Islam. We all know how the Christians on the moot feel by now about their religion, doesn't anybody have anything informative and enlightening to say about Islam, and about what it means to be a Muslim? Or does it always have to degenerate into a comparison fest of Christians versus Muslims, and whose religion is better? Good grief!

[Spock]

QUOTE=Insidious Rex]
And what 'rules' exactly has christianity changed in the past few centuries? Wouldnt that be considered blasphemy?.....n [/QUOTE]

NO. If you can't grasp what has been stated then I give up.

if this fits in with your plans, fine but I can't waste any more energy on this

[Lief Erikson]

Originally Posted by Lotesse

What's all this going on and on about Christianity here; I thought this was supposed to be a thread on Islam. We all know how the Christians on the moot feel by now about their religion, doesn't anybody have anything informative and enlightening to say about Islam, and about what it means to be a Muslim? Or does it always have to degenerate into a comparison fest of Christians versus Muslims, and whose religion is better? Good grief!

You're right, some of this is getting into a tangent. I'll respond to Insidious Rex in the Religious Knowledge thread .

Originally Posted by Lotesse

doesn't anybody have anything informative and enlightening to say about Islam, and about what it means to be a Muslim?

This is part of what we've been talking about.

[Lotesse]

I'm gonna pull an "Inked," and paste a link here with no furthur elaboration - anyway, it's interesting; it's about those pesky cartoons and such -

http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/792

What do you guys think about this?

to quote the article, "Apparently Muslim papers are allowed to do what Western papers are not: republish the Muhammad cartoons."

Another case of double-standarditis, or what? So silly.

[Lotesse]

Hey, here's a link that is very informative; it's literally called Islam 101. It helps people learn more about the religion of Islam, and stuff like that. A positive link, not negative or whiny, but normal and positive.

http://www.islam101.com/

the following excerpt taken from the site -

About 1400 years ago, in his last sermon, Prophet Muhammad (peace be on him) said:

“All mankind is from Adam and Eve, an Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a white has no superiority over a black nor a black has any superiority over a white — except by piety and good action. Learn that every Muslim is a brother to every Muslim and that the Muslims constitute one brotherhood. Nothing shall be legitimate to a Muslim which belongs to a fellow Muslim unless it was given freely and willingly. Do not therefore do injustice to yourselves. Remember one day you will meet Allah and answer your deeds. So beware: Do not stray from the path of righteousness after I am gone.”

[Lief Erikson]

A clear and specific condemnation of racism. Definitely a neat excerpt from the Koran. It's good for us to keep in mind the good that exists in that book, for there is much of it.

Though I don't think any of us have been denying that. But it's still neat to hear .

[hectorberlioz]

Originally Posted by Insidious Rex

But its IN THE BIBLE. And millions of CHRISTIANS use it and other bible references as justification for revenge killing.

oh really? Is it there? or are you just confusing the Bible with the Q'oran?
Christianity, through biblical examples, teaches that suicide is a bad thing.

[Radagast The Brown]

Originally Posted by hectorberlioz

oh really? Is it there? or are you just confusing the Bible with the Q'oran?
Christianity, through biblical examples, teaches that suicide is a bad thing.

There is much violence in the Bible. The bible many times even preaches for violence. The murder God commanded on the Amaleks for instance. God commanded killing all of them - including women, children, etc...

[Spock]

hmmm, guys, Christianity is based upon Christs teachings which leaves out the entire old testament. ......sigh.....those teachings are quite different from those espoused, followed and repeated in Islam.

[hectorberlioz]

Originally Posted by Radagast The Brown

There is much violence in the Bible. The bible many times even preaches for violence. The murder God commanded on the Amaleks for instance. God commanded killing all of them - including women, children, etc...

there is MUCH violence in the bible. There's also a lot of sex and drugs in it.
I wish I could be super specific for you Rad, about the detailed dos and donts of the bible, but it would be a long post, and worth another thread in itself.

[Insidious Rex]

Originally Posted by Spock

hmmm, guys, Christianity is based upon Christs teachings which leaves out the entire old testament. ......sigh.....those teachings are quite different from those espoused, followed and repeated in Islam.

Spock get real. If christianity had nothing to do with the old testament then it wouldnt be part of the bible. And it wouldnt be referenced when convenient by millions and millions of christians.

[hectorberlioz]

Originally Posted by Insidious Rex

Spock get real. If christianity had nothing to do with the old testament then it wouldnt be part of the bible. And it wouldnt be referenced when convenient by millions and millions of christians.

Nevertheless, what happened in the NEW Testament changed many things about the Old.
Of course it's part of the bible, how else would we know what a difference the New was from the Old?

[Spock]

At least SOMEONE knows of what I speak. Others just love to play dumb.

[hectorberlioz]

Originally Posted by Spock

At least SOMEONE knows of what I speak. Others just love to play dumb.

*pats Spock's back, not so much sympathetically as patronizingly*

Kirk: Spock?
Spock: Yes Captain?
Kirk: Call me Jim
Spock: Ok.
Kirk: What?
Spock: What?
Kirk: You're talking like an American!
Spock:What're you talkin' about?

[Insidious Rex]

Originally Posted by Lief Erikson

A clear and specific condemnation of racism. Definitely a neat excerpt from the Koran. It's good for us to keep in mind the good that exists in that book, for there is much of it.

Funny youd never know it from the lambasting its getting by some people here. Youd think Islam was a religion of death and evil. Good to see at least one other person who notes this isnt the case...

[Insidious Rex]

Originally Posted by hectorberlioz

Nevertheless, what happened in the NEW Testament changed many things about the Old.
Of course it's part of the bible, how else would we know what a difference the New was from the Old?

Ok let me get your reasoning here... the old testament is only included in the bible because the new testament is different from it? WHY include the Old Testament at all then? That makes no sense.

And furthermore, you both continue to ignore the fact that MILLIONS of christians use quotes from both the old and new testament to justify killing. This can NOT be denied... For you to say the new testament is nothing like the old testament is false anyway. Theres plenty of scary stuff in there. Have you even read Revelations?