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Look, we should both pull up our best sources for liberal thought, and compare notes one of these days... BTW, Rex, I see you've hit a new benchmark for posts!
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11-01-2006, 04:16 PM | #622 |
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Yeah hard to believe Im still blabbing away after 4,000 posts.
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I may not agree with what you blab all of the time, but I like the person behind it
Congrats, Rexy!
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11-03-2006, 04:35 AM | #625 | ||
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Ah, yes. But then this happens:
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11-03-2006, 02:47 PM | #626 |
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Good work, Insidious Rex! Keep those thousands of posts coming .
Spock and Hector, one thing I've been realizing more and more as I research more deeply into modern Islamic extremism is that whether the Qur'an and Hadith condone jihad against all unbelievers or not actually isn't a very important issue right now. This is because modern Muslim militants are focused on defense rather than offense. They believe that the West is attacking their civilization, so they rely on jihad passages in the Qur'an that advocate taking defensive action. One of the principle reasons Osama bin Laden became enraged with the US was that we engaged in sanctions against Saddam Hussein that left between 600,000 and 1.5 million civilians dead. Saddam certainly bears a lot of the responsibility for those deaths too, and Osama was definitely no fan of Saddam, but the US also bore part of the responsibility. Also, many Muslims think those sanctions were simply punitive, actions taken for revenge against Iraq rather than actually sanctions designed to serve a military purpose. In many other Muslim countries, Muslims have experienced abuse and vast slaughters, directly or indirectly, as a result of the policies of the West. I'm not trying to justify their actions as I say this, but I am saying that because of our policies in the Middle East, they think we are trying to destroy the Muslim world. They are using religion as one of their arguments for fighting us, but they also are claiming that they should engage in jihad to defend their Muslim brothers. My point is that they view their jihad as defensive rather than as offensive, so whether or not Islam is an aggressive, offensive action is kind of just a matter of intellectual pondering at the moment. The issue doesn't actually have much bearing on what's happening on the ground in the current war against Islamic extremism. I can cite many examples of how different abuses or perceived abuses against Muslims have spawned their jihad as a defensive action.
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Well put Lief.
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Lief, that was the best post ever.
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11-05-2006, 12:36 AM | #630 | |
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Great post, Lief
Speaking of the Pope... here's some comments from an expert on Middle-Eastern studies who is himself a Catholic (scroll way down to "Papal Bull" ) Excerpts: Quote:
Don't know enough theology to comment, but would all Protestants necessarily agree that God is bound by reason- hard to imagine i.e. Kierkegaard agreeing with that. How about Luther or Calvin?
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11-05-2006, 05:07 AM | #631 |
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Just heard on the radio: Saddam Hussein was sentenced to death by hanging.
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Hanging is part of Iraq's laws...
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Brownjenkins, GrayMouser and Nurvi, thank-you! I'm glad you liked my post .
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I understand that a lot of our actions have a long effect of bad chain reaction, but it certainly does not put a halo over Osama for me... I don't feel a shred of sympathy for his stance. I suppose all the cheering when the planes hit the twin towers was all about this...someone was really glad that "America had been taught a lesson." I can't see why we have to fall on our knees for what Saddam did, and why when we try to fix it a large part of the world turns against us. You know the PM before Churchill (I think it was Neville Chamberlain) appeased Hitler by letting him have some or such small country. The agreement was that he wouldn't try to take Czechoslovakian lands. So the deal was made. And then Hitler did it anyways. We can talk all we want about how Hitler himself was trying to be defensive, trying to preserve the German race etc...heck, he thought german art at that time was degenerate and evil, thats how much he cared. I suppose maybe after he died we could reflect on how sad the human story is...but it doesn't win a war. And we cannot just lay back and say "Ok, we we give up!" after something like 9/11. I don't believe it's all our fault for the problems in the Middle-east. Some people are just going to be whackos no matter what. I don't imagine that if we had kept out of the middle-east altogether that Muslims would be living in peace. They'd most likely be a pretty big power like Russia. Certainly Israel would not be there... You have to realize, that this mentality that we are the root and cause of all evil in the middle-east sounds good and seems to make sense, but it cannot explain for things like Saddam's killing his own people. I mean, you can't say that WE told him to do that, can you? We put him in power, BIG mistake, but we didn't tell him to gas bomb people. I'm not saying we're scot free from responsibility, I'm just trying to point out that some people are just rotten; we didn't necessarily tell them to be that way. It's that "if only we hadn't"...after we did, when we really couldn't have prevented it anyways. We should feel responsible, and we should try to amend our actions; but we should not shrink up and crawl into a pity party cave thinking "if only". Let me tell you, I am thoroughly sick of this "well, if we have nuclear weapons, whose to say they can't?" That's the "fair" view, which can result in trazillions of people dead. "Well, they think WE'RE dangerous!"...Well too bad! Because we know better about ourselves, and as long as we keep them from getting weapons, their fears of us trying to wipe them out are not going to be realized. You can only please so many people at once. And trying to convince them is even harder... It so happens that American Gov't is not interested in gassing it's own people or trying to make some kind of Supreme Race, and if not everyone is convinced of that, it's their problem, and it really doesn't change actual reality. Maybe after America falls to the pits, some jerk will amass plenty of nuclear weapons to go around for all his pals, and we'll finally have some "fair" distribution so we can all die and have some peace. Peace, that's what everyone wants, isn't it? Quote:
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On the other hand, if we decided not to attack Iran, we'd be left with a very, very nasty scenario. They'd have nuclear weapons and could support terrorists worldwide, without us being able to take any decisive action on the matter.
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12-01-2006, 04:31 PM | #639 |
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This rally in Beirut of at least 800,000 protesters has got to be one of the biggest I've ever heard of.
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That's many! Hezbollah has a huge support from the population alright.
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