05-15-2003, 05:06 PM | #621 |
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What is the point? Everybody is just repeating themselves over and over. Those that enjoy an immature insult fest are having a good time, but it's boring to me. Great idea Ruinel, you are on my ignore list now. Never used it before, but the time is right!
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05-15-2003, 05:16 PM | #622 |
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Aw, c'mon Rian! Some bozo who is too good for us comes back after hiatus just to call us vomitting sophists, before wandering off again and Lizra says wait for me, I'm doing my lips????? It's all off topic!
As to "agree to disagree" meaning not descending to personal attack, it doesn't. Personal attack is a logical fallacy called "ad hominum" which, by definition is sophistry. Agreeing to disagree means dropping an argument. But we are enjoying ourselves! Why should we drop it? Heck, it's the most active thread on the entire board! If we drop it, what in the moot will we talk about? We've started other threads, but they just lie there half-ignored. As to sophistry, as I said, it means to argue with logical fallacy. He who made the charge used so many fallacies, it would make a textbook example in the rules of Logic as what not to do! So just ignore him and move on. We have a right to argue this point. People should not stoop to personal attack. I will point out that BB is continually whittling at people with little insults, and it's uncool. Ruinel isn't the only guilty party. Doesn't make her less culpable, though... hehe Can we get back to the argument? You all let a personal attacker drag us off topic.
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I would have left her alone if not for her follow up post. If she can't take it she shouldn't be dishing it out. Sorry, that's my philosophy. As you said, I've got a temper sometimes, and it shows, but I get over it very quickly. I'm usually quick to overlook a slight and quicker to accept an appology, but if it keeps coming you better prepare for fire. I don't know her well, and she doesn't know me well. But what I have experienced from her posts leaves me with an impression quite different from yours, RÃ*an. And I value your opinion. So, if you say she's intelligent, then I'll be patient and wait to be enlightened. When I see that, I'll retract my statement and appologize to her. Quote:
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She's very intelligent in a way that I admire (and that I'm NOT - I tend to be analytical/methodical) - she has the ability to cut right thru the superfluous *runs to dictionary, changes an incorrect "u" to an "e") stuff right to the heart of a matter in a very insightful way. I value her opinion, altho we disagree in some major areas! *sees steam coming out of Elfhelm's ears* Um, ok, back on topic - I was just thinking about this today - how many of you more devoted Tolkien fans (the ones that have read LoTR multiple times, and prob. also the Sil and HoME books and UT) that saw the movie didn't notice some of the changes from the book until several viewings of the movie? I'm in the "more devoted" category, so is Ruinel and many others here. I'm talking about little things like at the very beginning, when Galadriel talks about the rings - "three were given to the elf lords", then "7 to the dwarf lords", etc. Well, the elves MADE their own rings! It makes it sound like Sauron made them and gave it to them, which is completely wrong. But Cate Blanchett's voice is so lovely, I didn't even catch it for awhile. Also when Elrond said in the council something like "I've called you all here", when actually they all come for their own reasons. I've always liked that part in the book, that Elrond didn't summon them, but they all just "happened" to come at the same time. As Gandalf said, there are other forces at work besides Sauron!
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Yet another off-topic post
People seem to forget that a discussion board is about discussion. I don't particularly care for the comments that Wayfarer makes in his posts. I suspect he feels the same way about mine. But I would never put him on "ignore" or anyone else for that matter. Wayfarer's comments infuriate me, but nevertheless, they challenge me and push me to further articulate my own points in response. Based on many of the posts here, maybe I've challenged some of you purists out there to further define your positions as well.
Real, passionate debate on both sides of an issue is interesting to read and follow. I suspect it's the reason this thread is still hanging around. People on either side should be applauded for their passion, not asked to apologize for it. Personally, I don't even mind direct verbal attacks on me (otherwise known as flaming) as long as it's done in a way that's halfway funny or interesting to read. Whatever is said or argued here, we all need to keep in mind: this...is...all...for...fun. |
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Oh, and another one that really irked me that I DID notice right away - in Galadriel's summary again - that "within each ring was bound the power to rule their race" (or something like that). Yuck! NOT!!
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Personally, I'm absolutely thrilled to be able to talk with so many intelligent Tolkien lovers, and I've enjoyed many lively debates here. I've learned a tremendous amount (this from a person who had read LoTR prob. about 10 times before joining Entmoot, also read Sil). I now have 5 HoME books, as well as UT and Letters. Horray for Tolkien and his incredibly beautiful work! Sometimes it just breaks my heart with its beauty. It is certainly a passionate work, and it inspires passion, too.
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç Ã¥ â„¢ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
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05-15-2003, 08:19 PM | #629 | |
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Just one more off--topic comment for EVERYONE to keep in mind: We do have RULES about behavior here, as well as appropriate post content. While it is tempting to stretch the limits of those rules, it always ends up in off-topic back-and-forth stuff like this, which, self-inflicted or no, IS boring, especially for poor newbies that happen upon these threads.
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Hmm, I see that as I've been writing this people have been posting, so the whole post may seem out of place at this point but so be it. Edit: AHH, I'm never going to get offline at this rate, but I had a funny vision of BB as Jack Nicholson in A Few Good Men: "You want me in this thread, you need me in this thread, etc." If it weren't for him we wouldn't have this oh-so-lively and interesting thread, no? |
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BB no one particularly cares for the comments that you make. If Wayfarer's posts push you to articulate your response, then when will we be graced with that? And don't worry, I don't attack children. You are, what, about 12 years old? Right? Sorry, I can't check your profile right now to see if I'm right. I'll just have to go by my gut instinct. Last edited by Ruinel : 05-15-2003 at 08:27 PM. |
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Ruinel - and doesn't the "rule the race" thing just make you gag! Perhaps the rings for the men and the dwarves were for that (tho I don't recall anywhere where their purposes were stated), but NOT the elven-rings. Those were to preserve beauty. (altho Galadriel left Valinor because she did want to "rule there a realm at her own will." - from the Sil)
Now I'm thinking there was something in Letters about the rings for the men and dwarves....
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç Ã¥ â„¢ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
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(hee hee - good edit, azalea!)
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Lizra, about Ignoring: I only hope it works for you. I had someone on my ignore list (well, still have, but they don't post anymore), as they were a terribly notorious spammer. But it seemed as though every time that I saw that this person (who-shall-not-be-named) made a post, I just went and viewed it anyway, to see if this person had made any comment which was in the slightest bit constructive, interesting, and/or not altogether less than intelligent and so forth. So, I just hope that you have better luck than me. (not to say anything about you, Ru, love you, Miz Rancher! ).
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Alright! We're going back to the topic! Whee!
This really is one of the liveliest threads going, so let's agree to disagree in great detail!
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*rolls eyes at the spammers*
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