05-14-2012, 03:50 PM | #621 |
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Always interesting to see what the Church's priorities are. When I was a teen I often wondered whether religion wasn't just invented by men to keep women in their 'proper' place. Things like this makes me wonder whether my teen self wasn't on to something...
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05-22-2012, 10:50 PM | #622 |
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The Church's priorities are #1 the salvation of eternal souls from the consequences of human sinfulness by the proclamation of the Good News of God's redemption by the Second Adam, God Incarnate, Wholly Human, Wholly Divine, Jesus of Nazareth Who gave complete obedience to God and offered Himself as a Sacrifice to atone for those sins, whose sacrifice was demonstrated approved by God in the Resurrection and Ascension. The rest is all related to that. Keeping somen in their place has nothing said about it in the Creeds (cf. Apostles, Nicene, and Athanasian Creeds - see http://www.creeds.net/ ).
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06-25-2012, 10:11 PM | #624 |
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Scripture has a lot to say about headship and complementarity, GM. But that is not equality in the PC sense, of course.
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Slavery is also pretty un-PC these days, too. "22 Wives, be subject to your own husbands, as to the Lord. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife, as Christ also is the head of the church, He Himself being the Savior of the body. 24 But as the church is subject to Christ, so also the wives ought to be to their husbands in everything." Ephesians 5: 22-24 "18 Wives, submit yourselves to your husbands, as is fitting in the Lord" Colossians 3:18 "34 Women[f] should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says. 35 If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church.[g]" 1 Corinthians 14:34 "But I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man,[a] and the head of Christ is God. 4 Every man who prays or prophesies with his head covered dishonors his head. 5 But every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head—it is the same as having her head shaved. 6 For if a woman does not cover her head, she might as well have her hair cut off; but if it is a disgrace for a woman to have her hair cut off or her head shaved, then she should cover her head. 7 A man ought not to cover his head,[b] since he is the image and glory of God; but woman is the glory of man. 8 For man did not come from woman, but woman from man; 9 neither was man created for woman, but woman for man." 1 Corinthians 11 (It's a disgrace that so many cafeteria Christians these days ignore these last two)
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07-01-2012, 05:26 PM | #626 |
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Aye, and ye seem to have missed the bit about husbands loving their wives as Christ loved the Church and GAVE HIMSELF FOR HER (crucifixion and all that) so as to make it seem so biased!
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I mean, I love my dog, but I make the rules. I also love my kids, but now that they're starting to turn 18, I don't demand they submit to me as the head of the family. Yes, I'd even die to save my kid's life (luckily I haven't been tested) but I don't think that gives me the right to give them orders once they are grown- any more than I have the right to give my wife orders, since she's a mentally-competent adult. That's the difference between people and pets (or slaves). Quote:
But I'll go along with it-any man that dies for his wife gets to tell her what to do...afterwards.
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07-03-2012, 06:34 PM | #628 |
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You've still left it out. But, hey, if you want straw women to beat up, go for it.
On the other hand, if you deliberately ignore the critical part of the prescription, are you being fair and thinking through the argument or merely cherry-picking to make the best of your incomplete case?
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To say I should love someone/thing, but he/she /it in turn has to obey me, is, as I said, a proper relation between a parent and a minor child or an owner and their pet. I don't consider women to be either, and I don't think that "Wives, be subject to your own husbands, as to the Lord" is a proper relationship between adults. What is it about just being a male that gives you the right to demand another human being obey you? http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fb...type=1&theater
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Of course, the power dynamic created makes it much easier for the husband to omit his part than for the wife to omit hers, and the men who are particularly keen on headship tend, in my experience, to be less keen on sacrificial self-gift.
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08-02-2012, 01:54 PM | #632 |
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Oh, it's the obey part, huh?
I shall tell you what my father told me: "Son, never forget that you are the head of the house. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. ............................And, never, ever forget that she is the neck that turns the head." Clearly your ideology has never encountered reality ! But, by the by, all that getting along swimmingly and no problems with the relationship bit since they are both the same-sex, doesn't seem to be working out quite as trumpeted priorly: http://www.christian.org.uk/news/ons...-up-nearly-30/ What with all the Olympic excitement and all, there are still those statistical analyses which hint at reality as well as a digital timer. Cheerio!
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As for the stats, note the quote is "[the government] originally estimated in 2003 that as many as 124,000 people could be in civil partnerships by 2010 " without giving the range of the original estimate. If that had been "as few as 76,000 and as many as 124,000" it would have been right on target (actual number 100,000.) Anyway, so what if there are fewer civil unions than anticipated? (and maybe some are hanging back waiting for real marriage to become legal). If Richard Loving and Mildred Jeter had been the only interracial couple in history to want to get married thay still would have had that right.
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Speaking of rights, how about the rights of girls to be born?
http://www.catholicnews.com/data/sto...ns/1203327.htm Some amazing data from India.
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No one has a right to be born under any scripture I know of. I believe it's a privilege.
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Or the rights of girls to live?
http://jezebel.com/5935734/the-pregn...ium=socialflow Basically, a 16-year-old pregnant girl is diagnosed with cancer, but the chemotherapy would (probably) kill the fetus. The Dominican Republic passed a new Constitution in 2010 saying "The right to life is inviolable from conception to natural death." So, chemo is withheld while the gov't discusses it, and by the time it's started it's too late and the girl dies. Welcome to Paul Ryan's America: Quote:
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As compared to the Democratic National Platform:
"According to a copy of the party platform, which was released online just before midnight on Monday, “The Democratic Party strongly and unequivocally supports Roe v. Wade and a woman’s right to make decisions regarding her pregnancy, including a safe and legal abortion, regardless of ability to pay.” That last part—“regardless of ability to pay”—is an endorsement of taxpayer-funded abortions, a policy that President Obama has personally endorsed." http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/...ns_651589.html Hmmm, which would you rather be an embryo or a fetus under, GM? A belief that you mattered as in Ryan's bill or disposable as in the Democratic platform?
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But I'd far rather be a woman under the Democratic platform.
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Angry about a video insulting your prophet, so kill some people who had nothing to do with it. Good one
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