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Old 04-02-2003, 02:34 PM   #601
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I do think they were the right thing. Meloshevic was killing 100's of thousands of people. he had concentration camps. Remember - the world declared "never again"? So yes - I think these wars ARE justified. Do I wish there was no war, no poverity - of course I do. But that's not the make believe world we live in. We live in a world where sometimes in order to protect millions - you have to kill a few people.
Jersey just curious..... did you support american military action in Rowanda to prevent the deaths of hundreds of thousands of africans in the horribly bloody genocide there in 1994?
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Old 04-02-2003, 02:42 PM   #602
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Jersey just curious..... did you support american military action in Rowanda to prevent the deaths of hundreds of thousands of africans in the horribly bloody genocide there in 1994?
I would have if we had gone in there. I felt we should have gone in there - but Clinton didn't want the backlash of another Somalia. I don't think we should have left Somalia either.

But it is funny how there were no demonstrations or anything demanding them to stop. It's also funny how the world didn't step in or the UN. But hey - the Un had to pull out of Somalia when the US pulled out.
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Old 04-02-2003, 05:04 PM   #603
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Old 04-02-2003, 05:13 PM   #604
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If the outcome of this war will be a stable, sound and democratic government of Iraq, within a reasonable amount of time, then I'll say the war has been justified. Though I fear it is a long way to go to get there
It might not be longer than it seems. It's been going on for what 12 days now or something around there. Latest report says we have Baghdad surrounded at a 30 mile radius. That is pretty damn impressive if you ask me, going that far in such a short amount of time with so many people/vehicles. I think the next week is going to be crucial in finding a lot of information out, especially about Saddam (dead/alive/hurt/etc..) The fighting has gotten more intense the past few days too, so you never know the length of it, it might look longer than it first appeared, but now it's looking shorter and shorter by the day from what I've been seeing anyway...
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'Then Tuor arrayed himself in the hauberk, and set the helm upon his head, and he girt himself with the sword; black were sheath and belt with clasps of silver. Thus armed he went forth from Turgon's hall, and stood upon the high terraces of Taras in the red light of the sun. None were there to see him, as he gazed westward, gleaming in silver and gold, and he knew not that in that hour he appeared as one of the Mighty of the West, and fit to be father of the kings of the Kings of Men beyond the Sea, as it was indeed his doom to be; but in the taking of those arms a change came upon Tuor son of Huor, and his heart grew great within him. And as he stepped down from the doors the swans did him reverence, and plucking each a great feather from their wings they proffered them to him, laying their long necks upon the stone before his feet; and he took the seven feathers and set them in the crest of his helm, and straightway the swans arose and flew north in the sunset, and Tuor saw them no more.' -Of Tuor and his Coming to Gondolin

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Old 04-02-2003, 05:46 PM   #605
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Huh?

Dunny, I think Artanis meant to a stable, sound democracy in Iraq, not Saddam falling.
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Old 04-02-2003, 09:05 PM   #606
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Actually, U.S. troops are within 28 kilometers of Baghdad now. I really, really hope that we have a good plan for taking that city. The thought of urban fighting scares me.
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Old 04-02-2003, 10:50 PM   #607
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Actually, U.S. troops are within 28 kilometers of Baghdad now. I really, really hope that we have a good plan for taking that city. The thought of urban fighting scares me.
Not sure how far 28 kilometers is, lol, but the latest report now is 15 miles!

I am just so shocked at how quickly they have made it there, for instance one of the Divisions on the outskirts of Baghdad is the 3rd Infantry Division, a Mechanized Unit (meaning Tanks, Bradley's, lots of heavy armor equipment, not to mention a whole lot of troops and personnel). For them to move that far, encounter 10 Iraqi Divisions and be within 15 miles of Baghdad in less than 14 days is simply amazing to me!
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'Then Tuor arrayed himself in the hauberk, and set the helm upon his head, and he girt himself with the sword; black were sheath and belt with clasps of silver. Thus armed he went forth from Turgon's hall, and stood upon the high terraces of Taras in the red light of the sun. None were there to see him, as he gazed westward, gleaming in silver and gold, and he knew not that in that hour he appeared as one of the Mighty of the West, and fit to be father of the kings of the Kings of Men beyond the Sea, as it was indeed his doom to be; but in the taking of those arms a change came upon Tuor son of Huor, and his heart grew great within him. And as he stepped down from the doors the swans did him reverence, and plucking each a great feather from their wings they proffered them to him, laying their long necks upon the stone before his feet; and he took the seven feathers and set them in the crest of his helm, and straightway the swans arose and flew north in the sunset, and Tuor saw them no more.' -Of Tuor and his Coming to Gondolin

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Old 04-02-2003, 10:56 PM   #608
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Old 04-02-2003, 11:11 PM   #609
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Wednesday's current conditions and forecast: Baghdad High: 82. Sunny. Low: 61. Basra High: 86. Sunny. Low: 65. Kirkuk High: 75. Partly sunny. Low: 56. Mosul High: 73. Partly sunny. Low: 50. Najaf High: 83. Sunny. Low: 60. Nasiriya High: 84. Sunny. Low: 63. Kuwait City High: 88. Mostly sunny. Low: 64.




Thursday: Baghdad High: 88. Partly sunny. Low: 67. Basra High: 94. Sunny. Low: 72. Kirkuk High: 85. Partly sunny. Low: 64. Mosul High: 82. Partly sunny. Low: 57. Najaf High: 92. Sunny. Low: 67. Nasiriya High: 93. Sunny. Low: 71. Kuwait City High: 93. Mostly sunny. Low: 68.




Friday: Baghdad High: 93. Mostly sunny. Low: 72. Basra High: 102. Sunny. Low: 77. Kirkuk High: 91. Mostly sunny. Low: 69. Mosul High: 90. Partly sunny. Low: 62. Najaf High: 101. Partly sunny. Low: 75. Nasiriya High: 101. Sunny. Low: 76. Kuwait City High: 93. Sunny. Low: 72.

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Old 04-02-2003, 11:13 PM   #610
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Thank you BoP!

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Old 04-02-2003, 11:22 PM   #611
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Is anyone else getting positively blinded by Dunny's new sig? *squint*
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Old 04-02-2003, 11:25 PM   #613
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Gah....
I haven't watched any TV. Don't want to hear the newscasters... I am not really but also sort of looking forward to the news in Spain...simply hearing everything from a different persepective, even though the Spanish gov't is supporting Bush.

I would really like to see the html for your flag, Dunedain--I bet it's utterly insane!


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Old 04-02-2003, 11:28 PM   #614
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Is anyone else getting positively blinded by Dunny's new sig? *squint*
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And I thought the fangirls were creative!
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Old 04-02-2003, 11:29 PM   #615
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Welcome.

Is anyone else getting positively blinded by Dunny's new sig? *squint*
Yeah I just noticed on the one background it is painful, lol, but it looks good on the other one. I guess I need to try and time my posts
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'Then Tuor arrayed himself in the hauberk, and set the helm upon his head, and he girt himself with the sword; black were sheath and belt with clasps of silver. Thus armed he went forth from Turgon's hall, and stood upon the high terraces of Taras in the red light of the sun. None were there to see him, as he gazed westward, gleaming in silver and gold, and he knew not that in that hour he appeared as one of the Mighty of the West, and fit to be father of the kings of the Kings of Men beyond the Sea, as it was indeed his doom to be; but in the taking of those arms a change came upon Tuor son of Huor, and his heart grew great within him. And as he stepped down from the doors the swans did him reverence, and plucking each a great feather from their wings they proffered them to him, laying their long necks upon the stone before his feet; and he took the seven feathers and set them in the crest of his helm, and straightway the swans arose and flew north in the sunset, and Tuor saw them no more.' -Of Tuor and his Coming to Gondolin

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Old 04-02-2003, 11:31 PM   #616
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I would really like to see the html for your flag, Dunedain--I bet it's utterly insane!


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'Then Tuor arrayed himself in the hauberk, and set the helm upon his head, and he girt himself with the sword; black were sheath and belt with clasps of silver. Thus armed he went forth from Turgon's hall, and stood upon the high terraces of Taras in the red light of the sun. None were there to see him, as he gazed westward, gleaming in silver and gold, and he knew not that in that hour he appeared as one of the Mighty of the West, and fit to be father of the kings of the Kings of Men beyond the Sea, as it was indeed his doom to be; but in the taking of those arms a change came upon Tuor son of Huor, and his heart grew great within him. And as he stepped down from the doors the swans did him reverence, and plucking each a great feather from their wings they proffered them to him, laying their long necks upon the stone before his feet; and he took the seven feathers and set them in the crest of his helm, and straightway the swans arose and flew north in the sunset, and Tuor saw them no more.' -Of Tuor and his Coming to Gondolin

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Old 04-02-2003, 11:33 PM   #617
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Is anyone else getting positively blinded by Dunny's new sig? *squint*
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Whoa. Totally groovy dude.

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Did you people hear about that female POW being returned?

Was she not GOOD enough or something?

Are they like antifemminine *being a fangirl*?
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Heh. Are you getting the little dotty things on your eyeballs yet?
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Did you people hear about that female POW being returned?

Was she not GOOD enough or something?

Are they like antifemminine *being a fangirl*?
If you're talking about Jessica Lynch (?) I thought she'd been rescued...
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