02-11-2006, 12:47 PM | #601 |
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Enlightenment requires knowledge. Here are two interesting sites from which one may link to knowledge in regard to
Muslims, Islam, and Denmark : http://www.supportdenmark.com/ Muslims, Islam, Jews, Christians and New York City: http://mliccione.blogspot.com/2006/0...ard-again.html Knowledge cuts both ways, though, and is a dangerous tool. That's always been an argument against it.
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02-11-2006, 01:13 PM | #602 |
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If it weren't for in information age, this would have been confined to Denmark. Now as each community gets information from other countries, they seem to have to emulate others reactions. It's way out of proportion but does show the intolerance is greater on Islams part when compared to similar instances concerning Judiasm or Christianity.
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02-11-2006, 11:08 PM | #603 |
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C*a*u*t*i*o*n*
Two warnings to keep this topic on topic were ignored and thus it had been *temporarily* closed.
I now reopen this forum in hopes that the topic title will be upheld. ' If you have comments about Muslims, then place them in that topic thread which has been active long before this one started.
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02-12-2006, 12:08 AM | #604 |
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So many issues are related to this one, though. It's really hard to talk only about the cartoon issue, when it is a symptom of a bigger picture .
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02-12-2006, 11:58 AM | #606 |
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As Lief and others have said, posting and private:
So many issues are related to this one, though. It's really hard to talk only about the cartoon issue, when it is a symptom of a bigger picture . For that reason and after studying the way this topic has and appears to go, it is being merged into the "MUSLIMS" topic. All aspects of Islam and the behaviour of its adherents will fit well under that long established topic and will aid those wanting to comment but finding scattered topics about the same general venue. It is hoped that this will solidify opinion and commentary on this issue facing Western society.
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Thanks for merging the threads, Spock. I think this will definitely make discussion far easier and more pleasant .
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Furthermore, quite a few christians think its ok to kill others in the name of revenge. Quite a lot actually. Do we tar and feather the bible and the entire christian religion because of this opinion of many christians?
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where is this silent majority of peace loving Muslims?
I'm talking about the ones in Arab countries. Certainly most of the Muslims in countries like the USA are peace-loving.
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And there is NO teaching in Christianity which says it is ok to kill yourself in order to kill enemies of Christianity. The 'eye for an eye' rule went out with the New Testament.
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FYI
The lex talionis "an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth" was a limitation of revenge in a culture which would happily kill every relative to your second or third cousin once removed in response to a perceived injury or physical injury. So the lex talionis was a restriction of revenge. The Code of Hammurabi does much the same.
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Martin Luther King, Jr. said "An eye for an eye leaves everyone blind." He had a good point - and actually, he was a pretty devout Christian. I think the eye for an eye thing is an old Judaeic law, from the Torah, no? Someone Jewish correct me on this, but I swear that's what I remember. Old Testament Law, right? And incidentally, this thread is entitled "Muslims," implying it ought to be a discussion on understanding Muslims en masse, and their religion, and their collective motivations, etcetera, but it seems to me that this thread has gone to side A versus side B arguing about how bad and terrible Muslims are, and that really SUX, you guys. Not all the Muslims of the planet want to strap bombs to their chests and blow up the Western world.
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Jesus said, "I am the way." He also said that people must follow him. If people refuse to follow him, or become content with keeping some parts of their lives to themselves and not surrendering those parts of themselves to Jesus, then yes, they aren't Christians. Or at least they are wrong. At best they're only part Christians. Every part of our lives must become like God. As Jesus said, "be perfect, as my Father in heaven is perfect." Quote:
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HELLO, remember I said Christianity relies on mostly the New Testament.
Islam hasn't changed it's 'rules' in centuries.
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