Tolkien's Languages - Page 31

Ruinel · 12-28-2003, 10:46 PM

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Originally posted by Aden
Lillume haaya Ruinel! Maara tulie ata Anwa, sina lia loane larca Cennen i "review" nan naa hurin (hiswa meenar). Ananta, hanyan ahalya an Denethor "sucked" ar Gandalf nee laa "respected"!

I quettar cenuval iire hepel cursor-lya or i hiswa meenar. Saira nee ni, linahyar nee carne, ya vaa carne maara yanwe an i saama.

Tulin an sinta luu. Apasinar (after-this-day = tomorrow) lelyan na i vercar noorer, yo siire, aldar, ondoli, oronti, lamani ar wilini ya carlindele. Yanweinieevan yo Ea... ar feanya envinyanta.

Aden · 12-29-2003, 08:15 AM

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Originally posted by Ruinel
I quettar cenuval iire hepel cursor-lya or i hiswa meenar. .

Cenen! UUharyanen sina ista. Hantanyel

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Saira nee ni, linahyar nee carne, ya vaa carne maara yanwe an i saama.

Anwa!

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Tulin an sinta luu. Apasinar (after-this-day = tomorrow) lelyan na i vercar noorer, yo siire, aldar, ondoli, oronti, lamani ar wilini ya carlindele. Yanweinieevan yo Ea... ar feanya envinyanta.

Sina naa maara!! Merin haryal maraluume

Arien the Maia · 12-30-2003, 01:37 AM

Does anyone know how to properly pronounce the "rd" in Quenya (Tolkien even made a tengwa that represented the "rd" sound in Quenya)? What I mean is in saying "Nerdanel" or "Arda" how does one pronounce each letter?

Falagar · 12-30-2003, 07:54 AM

Hmmm, it's hard to describe to someone who have english as their first language...
The r is not pronounced like in English "radio", but as in...

Try to listen to a finn speak, and you'll hear how it's supposed to be pronounced.

Edit: Or listen to Christopher Lee in the first LotR-movie.

Arien the Maia · 12-30-2003, 01:09 PM

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Originally posted by Falagar
Hmmm, it's hard to describe to someone who have english as their first language...
The r is not pronounced like in English "radio", but as in...

Try to listen to a finn speak, and you'll hear how it's supposed to be pronounced.

Edit: Or listen to Christopher Lee in the first LotR-movie.

I'll look out for it the next time I watch FOTR. Thanks

Almie · 12-30-2003, 01:43 PM

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Originally posted by Arien the Maia
Does anyone know how to properly pronounce the "rd" in Quenya

Here is a nice resource. It's a voice file where Tolkien himself reads the poem Namaarie in Quenya (the text found in LotR book two, Chapter VIII (but of course you all Quenya fans know that poem by heart

). The Stream version didn't work for me, but MP3/Winamp version works well. In that poem there's at least the word "Varda"/"Vardo" that includes "rd", so you'll hear at least how Tolkien says it.

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Try to listen to a finn speak, and you'll hear how it's supposed to be pronounced.

Yeah, it's sometimes nice to be a Finn.

Although one could say that I speak Quenya with a Finnish accent!

Arien the Maia · 12-30-2003, 02:51 PM

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Originally posted by Almie
Here is a nice resource. It's a voice file where Tolkien himself reads the poem Namaarie in Quenya (the text found in LotR book two, Chapter VIII (but of course you all Quenya fans know that poem by heart ). The Stream version didn't work for me, but MP3/Winamp version works well. In that poem there's at least the word "Varda"/"Vardo" that includes "rd", so you'll hear at least how Tolkien says it.

Yeah, it's sometimes nice to be a Finn. Although one could say that I speak Quenya with a Finnish accent!

That was awesome!!! thanks!

Almie · 01-01-2004, 10:11 AM

Merin ilquenen: "Alassea Vinya Loa!"

Aden · 01-04-2004, 03:55 AM

Alassea vinya loa!!

Falagar · 01-04-2004, 06:49 AM

Nai haruvalyÃ« alassÃ« vinya yÃ©nyassÃ«! AhariellÃ« quantien mÃ¡ra?

Aden · 01-04-2004, 07:15 AM

Laa. Mine maalo haryanes hosta yulmee ar i loome nee ve uumea olos

Falagar · 01-19-2004, 10:16 AM

Vinya cuilÃ« lian sina!

I translated the first three verses of the Song of Amroth:

(The lay of Nimrodel)

Lirilla Nimrodelo

An Elven-maid there was of old,
A shining star by day:
Her mantle white was hemmed with gold,
Her shoes of silver-grey.

ElvendÃ« nÃ© enwina ressÃ«
Elen calima mi aurÃ«
Finderya ninquÃ« untÃºmpÃ« lauressÃ«
TÃ¡luvaileryar sindÃ«

A star was bound upon her brows,
A light was on her hair
As sun upon the golden boughs
In Lorien the fair.

Elen nuntÃ« caseryanna
Cala findessÃ«rya
VÃ« Anar laurÃ«a aldannar
LÃ³riendessÃ« vanima

Her hair was long, her limbs were white,
And fair she was and free;
And in the wind she went as light
As leaf of linden-tree.

Findesserya anda, hrÃ¶a ninquÃ«
Ar nÃ©s vanima ar lÃ©ra
Ar i sÃºrissÃ«, Ãºlunga oantiÃ«
VÃ« lassÃ« aldava

Hopefully more to come.

Falagar · 01-19-2004, 11:27 AM

A couple of new verses:

Beside the falls of Nimrodel
by water clear and cool
her voice fell like silver falling
into the shining pool

Ara i Nimrodelo celussÃ«
Ara nÃ©n vÃ*rin ar ringa
Ã“marya vÃ« lantala telpÃ«
lantanÃ« silila ailinna

Where now she wanders none can tell
in sunlight or in shade
for lost of old was Nimrodel
and in the mountains strayed

NÃ³me yassen sÃ* ranyas Ãºquen
ista, Ã¡ressÃ« var laimessÃ«
An vanwa yÃ¡ressÃ« Nimrodel nÃ©
Ar ranyanes orontissÃ«

The Elven-ships in havens grey
Beneath the mountain-lee
Awaited her for many a day
Beside the roaring sea

I eldaciryar londessÃ« sindÃ«
Ara i oronti-ramba
Erner limbÃ« rÃ* nÃ³messÃ«
Ara i rÃ¡vÃ«a Ã«ar

A wind by night in Northern lands
Arose, and loud it cried,
And drove the ships from elven-strands
Across the streaming tide

SÃ¹rÃ« lÃ³messÃ« nÃ³rÃ« formenyassÃ«
OrtanÃ« ar ramanes rÃ¡ma
Ar tulyanÃ« i ciryar ÃºlÃ«a celumenna
Et eldafalasello

***Earniel*** · 01-19-2004, 01:19 PM

Nifty!

And I can understand a few things in it! *is happy* That's quenya, right?

Falagar · 01-19-2004, 01:42 PM

Yep, that's Quenya.

Hopefully someone will comment on it.

Arien the Maia · 01-19-2004, 09:26 PM

can someone please tell me how to say welcome or hello or greetings (basically some form of greeting) in Quenya? I've been trying to look up a word that is suitable but to no avail

any help would be lovely!!!! Thanks!

Ruinel · 01-20-2004, 12:34 AM

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Originally posted by Arien the Maia
can someone please tell me how to say welcome or hello or greetings (basically some form of greeting) in Quenya? I've been trying to look up a word that is suitable but to no avail any help would be lovely!!!! Thanks!

These words are usually phrases. You are probably looking up exact words to replace, "welcome" and "hello"... but there are no exact equivalents.

'A star shines on the hour of our meeting' is one. This gives you an idea of how greetings are said in Quenya.

Arien the Maia · 01-20-2004, 01:07 AM

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Originally posted by Ruinel
These words are usually phrases. You are probably looking up exact words to replace, "welcome" and "hello"... but there are no exact equivalents.

'A star shines on the hour of our meeting' is one. This gives you an idea of how greetings are said in Quenya.

thanks! how complicated!

Lord Boromir · 01-20-2004, 03:59 AM

I have only really studied Quenya, and I like it alot. I've been working for a while on the course by Helge Fauskanger(at Ardalambion.com), and it's great! So far I've completed 11 lessons...

Falagar · 01-20-2004, 05:59 AM

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Originally posted by Arien the Maia
thanks! how complicated!

_Ayia_, "hail" is generally used as hello.

Hello, Lord Boromir!

Seen you before, have I?

12-30-2003, 07:54 AM	#604
Falagar Death of Mooters and [Entmoot] Internal Affairs Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Oslo, Norway Posts: 2,870	Hmmm, it's hard to describe to someone who have english as their first language... The r is not pronounced like in English "radio", but as in... Try to listen to a finn speak, and you'll hear how it's supposed to be pronounced. Edit: Or listen to Christopher Lee in the first LotR-movie. __________________ FÃ«anor - Innocence incarnated Still, AikanÃ¡ro 'till the Last battle. Last edited by Falagar : 12-30-2003 at 08:05 AM.

01-01-2004, 10:11 AM	#608
Almie Hobbit Join Date: May 2003 Location: Finland Posts: 36	Merin ilquenen: "Alassea Vinya Loa!" __________________ "I could think of a long story about the land of NÃºmenor." (Alboin in 'The Lost Road' by JRR Tolkien)

01-04-2004, 06:49 AM	#610
Falagar Death of Mooters and [Entmoot] Internal Affairs Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Oslo, Norway Posts: 2,870	Nai haruvalyÃ« alassÃ« vinya yÃ©nyassÃ«! AhariellÃ« quantien mÃ¡ra? __________________ FÃ«anor - Innocence incarnated Still, AikanÃ¡ro 'till the Last battle.

01-19-2004, 10:16 AM	#612
Falagar Death of Mooters and [Entmoot] Internal Affairs Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Oslo, Norway Posts: 2,870	Vinya cuilÃ« lian sina! I translated the first three verses of the Song of Amroth: (The lay of Nimrodel) Lirilla Nimrodelo An Elven-maid there was of old, A shining star by day: Her mantle white was hemmed with gold, Her shoes of silver-grey. ElvendÃ« nÃ© enwina ressÃ« Elen calima mi aurÃ« Finderya ninquÃ« untÃºmpÃ« lauressÃ« TÃ¡luvaileryar sindÃ« A star was bound upon her brows, A light was on her hair As sun upon the golden boughs In Lorien the fair. Elen nuntÃ« caseryanna Cala findessÃ«rya VÃ« Anar laurÃ«a aldannar LÃ³riendessÃ« vanima Her hair was long, her limbs were white, And fair she was and free; And in the wind she went as light As leaf of linden-tree. Findesserya anda, hrÃ¶a ninquÃ« Ar nÃ©s vanima ar lÃ©ra Ar i sÃºrissÃ«, Ãºlunga oantiÃ« VÃ« lassÃ« aldava Hopefully more to come. __________________ FÃ«anor - Innocence incarnated Still, AikanÃ¡ro 'till the Last battle. Last edited by Falagar : 01-19-2004 at 01:36 PM.

01-19-2004, 11:27 AM	#613
Falagar Death of Mooters and [Entmoot] Internal Affairs Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Oslo, Norway Posts: 2,870	A couple of new verses: Beside the falls of Nimrodel by water clear and cool her voice fell like silver falling into the shining pool Ara i Nimrodelo celussÃ« Ara nÃ©n vÃrin ar ringa Ã“marya vÃ« lantala telpÃ« lantanÃ« silila ailinna Where now she wanders none can tell in sunlight or in shade for lost of old was Nimrodel and in the mountains strayed NÃ³me yassen sÃ ranyas Ãºquen ista, Ã¡ressÃ« var laimessÃ« An vanwa yÃ¡ressÃ« Nimrodel nÃ© Ar ranyanes orontissÃ« The Elven-ships in havens grey Beneath the mountain-lee Awaited her for many a day Beside the roaring sea I eldaciryar londessÃ« sindÃ« Ara i oronti-ramba Erner limbÃ« rÃ* nÃ³messÃ« Ara i rÃ¡vÃ«a Ã«ar A wind by night in Northern lands Arose, and loud it cried, And drove the ships from elven-strands Across the streaming tide SÃ¹rÃ« lÃ³messÃ« nÃ³rÃ« formenyassÃ« OrtanÃ« ar ramanes rÃ¡ma Ar tulyanÃ« i ciryar ÃºlÃ«a celumenna Et eldafalasello __________________ FÃ«anor - Innocence incarnated Still, AikanÃ¡ro 'till the Last battle. Last edited by Falagar : 01-19-2004 at 01:13 PM.

12-30-2003, 01:37 AM	#603
Arien the Maia FÃ«anÃ¡ro's Fire Mistress Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Indiana, USA Posts: 1,423	Does anyone know how to properly pronounce the "rd" in Quenya (Tolkien even made a tengwa that represented the "rd" sound in Quenya)? What I mean is in saying "Nerdanel" or "Arda" how does one pronounce each letter?

01-04-2004, 03:55 AM	#609
Aden Elven Warrior Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 123	Alassea vinya loa!!

01-04-2004, 07:15 AM	#611
Aden Elven Warrior Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 123	Laa. Mine maalo haryanes hosta yulmee ar i loome nee ve uumea olos

01-19-2004, 01:19 PM	#614
*Earniel* The Chocoholic Sea Elf Administrator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: N?n in Eilph (Belgium) Posts: 14,363	Nifty! And I can understand a few things in it! is happy That's quenya, right? __________________ We are not things.

01-19-2004, 01:42 PM	#615
Falagar Death of Mooters and [Entmoot] Internal Affairs Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Oslo, Norway Posts: 2,870	Yep, that's Quenya. Hopefully someone will comment on it. __________________ FÃ«anor - Innocence incarnated Still, AikanÃ¡ro 'till the Last battle.

01-19-2004, 09:26 PM	#616
Arien the Maia FÃ«anÃ¡ro's Fire Mistress Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Indiana, USA Posts: 1,423	can someone please tell me how to say welcome or hello or greetings (basically some form of greeting) in Quenya? I've been trying to look up a word that is suitable but to no avail any help would be lovely!!!! Thanks!

01-20-2004, 03:59 AM	#619
Lord Boromir Hobbit Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Norway Posts: 18	I have only really studied Quenya, and I like it alot. I've been working for a while on the course by Helge Fauskanger(at Ardalambion.com), and it's great! So far I've completed 11 lessons... __________________ "Elen s?*la lÃºmenn' omentielvo."

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