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10-29-2004, 02:51 PM | #602 | |
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Maybe I have a plan to join with India and sweep through Pakistan and Iran, and clear out the Arabian peninsula. Thier massive ground troops and hatred of the Pakis, and our great technology and wealth. We could control the entire of SW asia within and year or two. BWAHAHAHA!!!!
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10-29-2004, 02:55 PM | #603 | |
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even in the reagan/carter election the popular vote was 51%/41%... a landslide in electoral concerns, a decent win in popular terms... but if it was the popular vote only that mattered... reagan would have been forced to pay a lot of attention to those smaller states to pull that 10%... and if you assume that most who did not vote for reagan would have voted for carter, the numbers are even smaller look at bush/gore 2000... even in bush's home state of texas things went about 3.8mil bush to 2.5mil gore... that leaves a 1.3mil difference... iowa had a total of 1.2mil voters that same year your theory assumes that states vote as a mostly unified population on a single agenda... which simply is not the case the reality is that a democrat who lives in texas, or a republican who lives in massachusetts basically has no voice... with the popular vote, everyone has a voice, irregardless of what state they happen to live in
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10-29-2004, 02:56 PM | #604 | ||
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Also - regardless of why you might think reagan lef the democratic party - and there was a MUCH larger difference than just the unions - the democratic party has changed to the flower child party. As for the republicans being right wing - the majority aren't right wing - anymore than the majority of the democratic party is made up of socialists like Kucinich (sp).
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10-29-2004, 03:37 PM | #608 | |
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i understand the concept of the electoral system... do you understand the concept of a popular vote?
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by your theory, politicians in NJ must spend all their attention on city dwellers and very very little on the small towns and suburbs... wouldn't it make more sense to have "electors" for each region?
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I can change the question back on you and say - why not just do away with states all together and just have one huge gigantic country with a very powerfull national government and no state governments at all - with no seperate laws. Do you REALLY think that will happen? Do you really think that would be the best for the country? I don't think that would be best for the country - just like I don't think that elimination of the electoral college would be best for the country. I also don't think there is much of a fear for the electoral college beiung done away with - becuase it will be too difficult to get the necessary amendment through the states - not to mention Congress.
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are you saying it's ok that the small towns in NJ have no voice in the way a governor is elected? Quote:
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I'm done talking about this - there is no sense in going around and around anymore in circles. I have stated my reasons why I am against national election for president, you claim I do not understand it - when I understand it all too well.
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As for Kerry "just giving in to this" you as talking out of your shorts. A year ago Howard Dean was about to be crowned the Democratic nominee. Three months ago many pundits were predicting a landslide for Bush. Doesn't sound like a guy who gives up easily to me. Quote:
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LOL!!! This getting like "Team America" with little characture puppets dancing around on the stage. With all the name calling you must be really worried about losing a fair fight.
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[quote] As for Kerry "just giving in to this" you as talking out of your shorts. A year ago Howard Dean was about to be crowned the Democratic nominee. Three months ago many pundits were predicting a landslide for Bush. Doesn't sound like a guy who gives up easily to me. [/quote[ An election is much different than a war. It's great - let's put some election commercials on with women crying or false truths about Iraq - like the many Kerry has put on. Quote:
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even said it was WRONG to say that all the democratic party is made up of socialists and people like Kicinich. So explain to me how I was the one who labeled the democratic party in the extreme? All I did was say they have turned into the flower child party - which they have. Sorry - but they are the 60's hippy party. I didn't know that was the extreme elimiment of th party. I actually consider the "communists" and the "socialists" and the black panthers to be the extreme end of the party. But then again - I said saying the democrats were like that would be wrong. By the way - I'm atheist - and I'm a republican. I support stem cell research, I support abortion in the first trimester, I believe in evolution and I'm against book banning (you might be interested in looking at my peacefire link below). But I believe in people working for what they get, I believe in individual rights, I'm against affirmative action - aka reverse descrimination, I'm for the freedom of parents to choose where they send their children to school (vouchers), and I'm for low taxes.
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I think Colorado's plan in an excellent one. It passes constitutional muster, allows states to control the electoral vote, and prevents the national cadidates from completely ignoring any "gimme" state for more time in the "swing" states. Then there is redistricting.... Both parties are guilt of using this tool to manipulate the outcome of elections by splitting the opposing parties power centers into fragments. Even here in Maryland Connie Morella, a republican I supported for years, was beaten more by the redistricting plan than by her opponent. And don't get me started on Texas.
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JD- I haven't even seen a real "flower-child" in 35 years. And Hippies??? LOL!!! Maybe in a Cheech & Chong movie. Are you still fighting the Vietnam war perhaps?
EDIT: Nice clean-up on the last post, btw.
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I disagree with the state splitting votes. It's the states voting. I can't say I want to elect Kerry for these issues and elect Bush for these issues and that's what splitting a state vote does.
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