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I have compassion for others beliefs - but their lives as far as I'm concerned is in their own hands at this point. They are ADULTS who have WILLINGLY gone into a war situation. They are NOT innocent civilians who happen to just be caught in the middle. I'm sorry - I have no simpathy for them if they get killed - I care more about the innocent Iraqi civilians who have no choice. Quote:
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01-25-2003, 08:32 PM | #582 |
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Fair enough JD.....if that is the way you see the situation.
We're wandering into politcal and humanitarian ethics now.......not a subject(s) that wish to discuss with you *shrugs* |
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Limiting the casualities of the innocent Iraqi civilian population should be an important goal of the engagements. These people that are willingly going to Baghdad, have purposely put themselves into this situation. They're responsible for their own lives.
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The only reason they're going there is to try stopping the US from attacking. And by the way - there is a good guy in this war. The west has a choice - either we allow Saddam Hussein to continue on the way he is going - or else we dismantle his regime and basically free the people of Iraq. He thinks nothing of putting his own people to death for them just looking at him wrong. He had his own two sons executed after luring them back into Iraq with promises that everything weas forgiven. His OWN two sons. Do you honestly think he cares about anyone? By the way - the "peace" demonstrators aren't going to do anything to protect the Iraqi civilian populations - they're only going to be Hussein's pawns. I hope they get a first hand look at what it's like there. Hussein won't show them his jails though - they play the perfect propaganda tool for him by being on the outside.
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1234........what the hell we fighting for?
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How much negotiation are we supposed to do? How many lies can Iraq tell before the world community says this is enough? Do you honestly believe that he'll collect weaponry and NOT use it in some form or another? And what happens to the Middle East if he is the most powerful country there? Iraq has been getting weapons in the past 4 years - without the world doing anything about it. The UN is made up of a bunch of people who think that the only thing to do is talk and if that doesn't work then you just throw up your hands and say "Well we tried." They reprimand governments and issue proclamations which have absolutely no affect. It is funny though. I don't see any of these "peace activists" taking buses into North Korea to protect the people there from their own government. Or into the many African countries where war lords rule. If they stood up for that stuff and took action against those counties - then I'd repsect them a little more. Basically it seems as if most of these people are just anti-west but they know that life sucks in the other counties and don't have the balls to actually stick their necks out when it comes to dealing with the real evil in this world (Iraq, Korea). They'd rather hide behind the freedoms we enjoy and criticise the west. Never see them demonstrating again suicide bombers who kill innocent woman and children. Who drove a bus to Bali?
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Most countries in the Middle East publicly oppose a unilateral US war on Iraq, but many are expected it ascuiece to one if it comes to that.
Turkey Ankara is worried that postwar instability in Iraq would provoke Iraqi Kurds to assert their independence, thereby inciting Turkish Kurds to follow suit. Still, Turkey has strong historical ties with the US and counts on Washingtons backionf for further IMF assistance. The pro-islamic government would probably allow the US to use some air bases and would support special forces en route to Iraq. Iran Like Turkey, Iran is apprehensive about postwar restivness in its Kurdish population, it also dislikes the idea of postwar pro-American government acrossed its border. But, Iran fought Iraq in a bitter war between '80 and '88, and would happily watch Saddam Hussein fall. A defanged Irag would also make Iran the undisputed kingpin of the gulf. Tehran would conceivable allow the launch of search and rescue missions as it did during the war against Afghanistan. Israel Israel is more than likely to be targeted by Iraq in the event of war, still the government firmly supports the US action against Iraq, whose missiles, potentially tipped with "weapons of mass destruction", threaten Israel. Israel has already had scouts inside the western border of Iraq doind pre-war reconnaissence. Israeli intelligence forces woulf work closely with the US during the war. *OOC: Don't you just love the sound of that? Weapons of Mass Destruction! KABOOM! I'm going to name my next dog that.* Egypt The government frets that a US strike against an Arab nation would incite unrest among a public already angry at the US for its support of Israel, but as other Arab countries, they loathe Saddam. Because the US supplies Egypt with $2 billion in aid a year, it can probably be counted on the have overflight rights, and use of the Suez Canal for warships and supply boats. Saudi Arabia Riyadh fears that a war would anger citizens because of the royal families ties to the US. As first reported on time.com the Saudis are encouraging a coup against Saddam. If war comes they may still refuse to permit launch of US ground troops or Air Force combat missions, though both were permitted in '91. The Saudis are likely, however, to allow US command and control functions special-op missions and refueling. Kuwait The Kuwaiti government is still seething over Saddams '90 invasion and occupation of it's lands it says it will not take part in "war drum beating". Still it hosts a variety of US military installations and have given the US virtual carte blanche to use its territory. Bahrain The government is rather sensitive to a war against an Islamic country at this time while the king is trying the heal civil strife against to sets of Muslims which occupy the nation. Yet Bahrain fears Iraq. As host to headquarters of the US naval Fifth Fleet, Bahrain is not expected to actively oppose the US action. Qatar This government is set on building strong ties to the US to protect the tine emirate from regional powers, specifically Iraq and Iran. Qatar has agreed to let the US use its al-Udeud facility as a US air base, command and control center. U.A.E the UAE is concerned that instability in the gulf could slow its rapid economic development. Yet, if war is emminent *imminent?* the UAE, who already extends military basing to the US and Britain aren't likely to put up a fuss. Oman Oman like most of the other nations fear public opinion, but like the UAE it plays host to both the US and Britain, and will likely give the permission for their use in a war with Iraq. Jordan Will do nothing actively to help the US, it seems, but privately wishes for the US to get on with the war. Syria Damascus, is again worried about Kurdish rebellions, in addition the government is reluctant for US influence to grow in their region. Like Jordan it will not contribute troops to the US as it did in '91 but it isn't admantly opposing the war either. Yemen Yemen voted against the war in '91 and the US cut Yemens entire 70 million dollar aid program. Yemen has no intention of making a fuss with Washington and will likely allow US ships the refuel at ports and US planes to fly over terrain. Kyrgyzstan *bless you* Officially opposes the war. Uzbekistan This government has pledged support to the US's war. Hope you enjoyed this because my fingers are killing me. (For entire article, not paraphrased, and using bigger fancicer words see Time)
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Okay, you are from Britain Coney, and I really haven't read anything on British views of America's war against Iraq. I also haven't read most of this thread! So what, as far as you can tell, is the views of Parliament and the public on...the war...thing. *Edit: mispellings.*
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To give you the simplest answer.... Tony Blair wants to back America..........most of his own cabinet, never mind the opposition, don't. Blair is making nearly as many please to his own followers as Powell is making to the UN As regards to public opinion: Roughly 80% of the British public disagree with war against Iraq without clear, firm evidence that they own/are manufacturing WMD. |
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I personally think we've gotten to be warmongers.
But to be frank, so is Insani (errrr...husseini...without the I)
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The only reason he let the inspectors in now - is because the US massed troops. Before that he kept saying how there was no way he was going to let in the inspectors. The UN wasn't even going to force the issue on inspectors until the US made it clear to them that they're going to do something or we will. It is also a known fact that Al Qaeda is hiding out in northern Iraq - with Saddam Husseins blessing. They're making life difficult for the Kurds and have training camps. Hussein's not stupid though - he won't openly support them, but at the same time he is harboring them. Maybe you forgot about the great big hole in lower Manhattan.
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Oh good lord, more 9-11 talk.
I am sick of hearing about it. It was terrible. Move On. *laughs* anyway. I know this is going to seem either simplistic or barbaric, but lets nuke them. NUKE 'EM ALL!
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America is not full of barbarians....barbarians don't know the value of a $!
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