09-28-2003, 04:57 AM | #581 |
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The Biblical Creation Story
Meanwhile, the creation story as written in the Bible I don't find to be at all unrealistic. It is not entirely without scientific validation. Indeed, some parts of it show a great understanding of the way things used to be on Earth, a long time ago.
What we can see For example, the Bible speaks of the dinosaurs, acknowledging their existence and speaking of their transformation into reptiles as we know them today. (Genesis 3:14) The Bible also describes the formation of the atmosphere in exactly the same way as science describes it. As described in the Bible, originally the sky and sea were together. They were separated, and the whole of Earth was covered in one huge ocean. Then Pangea appeared (See Genesis 1:6-9). The breaking of the continents is mentioned(Genesis 10:25), though this is somewhat debatable. It could be talking about the peoples of the earth, but taken literally, it can be spoken of as meaning the continents. Especially since we already can see strong reason to believe that Pangea was accepted as existing. It is my belief that even evolution according to environment might have been predicted in Genesis (See Genesis 1:24). Those parts that aren't yet accepted I already presented a theory at an earlier time for the long ages of people. Eve's creation from Adam we can't be sure is absolutely impossible by scientific process. The changing of sex to continue a strained race has been observed among other animal species. The flood has huge validation by vast numbers of myths and legends. Many of the accounts match in numerous characteristics. My Dad has a very good theory about the flood, but it'll be many years before I can get into that adequately . When his discoveries are published. Before that, I can't do very much on this point. The 7 Days I don't take as literal. There is Biblical evidence also that implies they aren't literal, most blatant among them being the fact that it wasn't until the fourth day that the sun was created. I think these are the main points. |
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That's that naughty talking snake, isn't it!
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GrayMouser, the talking snake was a reptile. I believe it was repreentative of the reptile races. It did not crawl on its belly before God cursed it. Its description therefore is out of wack with almost all reptiles existing today. A snake that didn't crawl on its belly? And a reptile that isn't low to the ground? It could very easily be describing the dinosaur. Oh, darn it, I'm out of time. Last edited by Lief Erikson : 09-28-2003 at 07:01 PM. |
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Okay, I have just a little more time now.
Insidious Rex, since I wrote that last statement about the dinosaur-to-bird thing, I remembered that I've also heard the same conclusion from a National Geographic video. It discussed the dinosaur-to-bird theory at some length, and then concluded that we just don't know the answer yet. It also described the astroid theory. Quote:
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09-28-2003, 06:55 PM | #589 |
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Cosmologies are ways of viewing the universe.
Yes evolutionism is a cosmology. It has pro's and con's. One of the intersting things about it is that it meshes very nicely with what we can know and measure about the universe. One of the dissapointing things about it is that it fails to answer the really bothersome questions like why, and purpose etc.. The fact that science is not concerned with questions like purpose and things like unmeasurable phenomena seems to bother some people. Some people seem to like it. I suppose it's a matter of taste, and the until humanity grows up enough to the point where they can tolerate and even embrace other viewpoints, you're just doomed to repeat your history of persecution, war, and repression over and over. It doesn't seem to matter what the idea is, there's always some stupid fool willing to kill for it.
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Those are interesting opinions. Some I agree with and some not . . . but I'm curious. Sorry, but . . . what does all that have to do with Evidence for Creationism?
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How does one determine whether or not the odds are long on the universe's possible permutations? This would seem to require knowledge of properties other universes. Are there different universes with different physics? Isn't it just as likely that all universes would follow the same properties, or at least ones well within required parameters for some type of life form? It is really pure guesswork to try to qualify what like likely or possible with such uncertainties.
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Cirdan and Insidious Rex, I can see that I'll have to get the exact figures for you from that taped debate. I'd like to wait until then before continuing much more on that topic, if you don't mind . |
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If God doesnt exist then who created morals? man?
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"like what? using different physical laws? could you give me a couple examples of these infinite alternate universes that wouldnt allow life to develop?"
If you don't understand this, then don't blame me, go to your local libraries and browse the physics section (or google if you are lazy). Example one: alpha=136 or < Example two: alpha=138 or > any change in this constant would dramaticaly change the fundamental nature of frezon (quantum packet) interaction, radically altering the way that matter and energy interact. Especially electron shells. Many such iteraitons would be completely unstable true, but there are of course stable iterations also. Some would definately last long enough to become a "dead" universe. It is of course impossible to measure the effects of such a change until we are able to form our own miniature universes and observe them. At which point we may very well have "graduated"... or at least matriculated... "What about the viewpoint of some people that killing is right? Should we tolerate that viewpoint? I think the answer is not that simple (tolerance)." If you don't tolerate that viewpoint, then you are reduced to responding in kind, which makes you into something worse... They can have that viewpoint, it's the behavior that matters. "...God makes a MUCH more logical starting point for the universe than many other suggestions." Hmm. My problem with this statement is that it skirts a tautology. The only honest statement is that the starting point of the universe is unknown. God may be a form of unknown, but when you place a particular version of a divinity into the zero point, you postulate all manner of conjecture, which still falls back to into the unknown. Which doesn't seem very logical to me. "If God doesnt exist then who created morals? man?" Evidently. No matter what point of view you take, morals existed before monotheism was introduced into human culture. You may be trying to make an argument for MORALS, an absolute standard of behavior, with GOOD and EVIL as polar opposites, but I think we've already had that argument somewhere. Don't make me break out my Socratic dialogues on you maan.
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