03-20-2008, 04:13 PM | #581 | |
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03-20-2008, 04:29 PM | #582 | |
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It's also at the heart of what separates liberals from conservatives, what and what isn't "off the table" for discussion.
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03-20-2008, 04:36 PM | #583 | |
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If that was the case, Jesse Jackson would have won the nomination back in '84 or '88. I don't think that many people cast presidential votes as a sympathy vote. They judge people on personality. Put Barak's personality in a white skin, and he still does well. Put a different personality in Barak's skin, and he doesn't. One could argue that he'd bring black voters to the table, but they have been voting and voting democratic for years. On the flipside, I'm sure there is still a portion of people in the US that simply won't vote for a black. The portion that simply wouldn't vote for a white is much smaller; almost non-existant. So, being black is never an advantage.
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03-20-2008, 05:11 PM | #584 |
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I've heard a few people who will vote for Obama simply because "It's about time America had a black president." However, I've heard people say the same of Hillary, inserting female for black of course. I don't think skin color matters personally, and I can't see it making a big difference in the election.
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I can see it making a difference in the election, I just don't see it making a difference in office. That's a good thing, btw.
What I keep hearing from people my age, on campus, is that John McCain is "too old".
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http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/...,3898931.story
Interesting opinion. And he was a member of the NAACP. So it's kinda hard, if you're liberal, to say that he is "self-hating". That would be a long shot. A member of the Trinity United Church of Christ called Michael Medved's show today, and described Shelby Steele and Clarence Thomas as "self-hating".
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And with Obama, his race gives the same kind of bonus that Clinton's gender does. I don't know whether being a woman or being black would give more of an advantage when trying to get the presidency. I think they both are advantages, because liberalism is so strong. Quote:
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Most of it is Barack's personality. And part of his personality is ---up till now--his rhetoric where everyone is coming together. Up till now he didn't speak about race, except to defend himself against the Clinton camp (and a few other incidents perhaps). But the fact that he is African-American IS a plus (not the whole thing, but a plus) to a large segment of people, who feel that voting for him will (and they could be right) put an end to the divisive rhetoric that still plagues us (the kind that comes from Reverend Wright).
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It's interesting; thinking of race in terms of a voting issue. I think we're in danger of forgetting that the real race issue is one of day to day experience. The anger that was expressed by that reverend does reflect a real experience. It's of discrimination, denial of opportunities, deprivation, poverty, injustice, etc, etc.
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There is no day-today racism that I have seen. The MTSU campus is about half and half African-American and white. There is no racial hatred in the interactions or behavior of the people here.
How about in the classrooms? When it was releveant to the topic, the people who brought it up were white. We discussed racism like it was still alive and well...but nobody (black or white) acts like race means something to them. I have never heard a racist statement from someone in my own life. Ever. The race war is primarily waged in the media. I'm not saying racism doesn't exist at all, only that the "day-to-day" experience is not filled with racism. And Gaffer, as a britisher yourself, how are blacks treated over there? Have you noticed anything?
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Breaking News: Hillary goes to Bible studies!!!!!!
This piece will have you laughing or cringing, depending on your politics
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Sharlet: Who are you? Mysterious Person #1: Shhh. Don't say anything. We know where you keep your condom, pot, and vodka stash...and we will take it away if you say anything to anyone. Sharlet: Ok! OK! Just let me live!!! So Hillary was a member of the Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy this whole time!!!! She's smarter than I thought... PS: You really have to read the whole thing. It is simply delicious.
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Personally, I've only ever experienced positive stereotyping. The English seem to have a generally positive, if paternalistic view of us Scots. Even though we hate them. But I know that is not the experience of others. These attitudes are deep rooted and manifest in many ways. And that is the point, really. Obama managed to acknowledge the genuine roots of a response to actual, real experiences of discrimination / prejudice / etc. I think when we are trying to understand the experiences of others, we should listen to them, rather than try to generalise from our own experiences. Some UK highlights: - "incitement to racial hatred" is illegal in this country - cities are very different from rural areas; there is more overt racism in the latter, but less non-whites, so it might seem less of a rural issue but isn't. - cities, however, tend to ghettoise, particularly amongst the working class areas. So you get your Pakistani area, your Afro-Caribbean area, etc. I get the impression that the latter are more integrated than the former. This is very damaging; you almost get "micro-economies" in some parts, causing resentment particularly between white and non-whites competing for jobs. The (racist) British National Party is gaining ground in some very specific areas in the North of England amongst resentful white people. - the (London) Metropolitan Police was found "institutionally racist" by an official investigation into the murder of black teenager Stephen Lawrence. If you scratch the surface (or if you are actually non-white yourself) you will find subtly (or not-so-subtly) embedded attitudes. - like the US, you are far more likely to be arrested or to go to jail if you are black - like the US, the media deals with these issues like a gardener doing brain surgery with boxing gloves on - it's socially unacceptable to make racist statements - there is a bit of a backlash against perceived "political correctness" which does my head in. Last edited by The Gaffer : 03-21-2008 at 05:15 AM. |
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Racism was acceptable in many quarters fifty years ago. It is not acceptable throughout society these days, so you do not see it in the open. That doesn't mean that it does not exist.
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All I want is for Democrats to not accuse Republicans of political cynicism when we run an African-American for President, or pick one for VP.
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If they aren't saying racist thing, that's good enough.
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The KKK still exists. There are still people that won't hire and/or give certain postions to blacks. Just because they don't discuss it openly doesn't mean it shouldn't be looked into. You seem to enjoy stories that uncover things about people you don't like or issues that are important to you. Just because racism is not one of those things that interests you does not mean "you can never find it in real life". You simply chose, maybe subconciously, not to see it. I personally think that some issues like gay marriage are blown way out of proportion. Sure, people have opinions on it. But, I'd guess that a good 80-90% of the population's day to day life would not be changed one way or the other if the issue's legal status was changed. So, in one way, the media does make it a larger issue than it really is. But, in another way, it really is an issue or else it simply wouldn't have any traction and the media would drop it. The media can magnify an issue, but they can't sustain one that has no basis in fact.
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My only point is: racism is not fought about in any place except the media. Whites and Blacks don't clash on the streets.
I do think there are some stereotypes that may prevent inner-city black males from getting jobs. Namely, the "gangsta rap" culture. It's hard to blame employers for rejecting people who dress in that kind of clothing. The present-day KKK is, thankfully, a joke. Though I do find it disturbing that one of the most prominent Democratic members of congress, Senator Byrd, used to be part of the KKK while a seated member of congress, and still hasn't apologized for it.
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