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I would check my ballot too (I already do, even though all we have to do is mark an X in a square, you'd really have to be a git to mess Canadian ballots up) - given all the effort we put into researching who you vote for, I darn well want my vote to count. Quote:
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I'm for immgration - but limited. Just like it was during ellis island time. There is NOT a inherint right except for US citizens to be in this country. The US does not belong to the world, as much as the world would like a say in our elections - they have no say, as much as people think that our constitution protects none US citizens - it does NOT. Our Constitution stops at our shores. Yes it would be disenfranchisement if they were US citizens - it's also ONLY disenfrachisement if they are prevented from voting - not if they didn't vote properly. The democrats like to say that people were disenfranchised even though all the studies have shown that in 2000 it was because of their own stupidity of not voting properly. it's the same with segregation. they say that schools are mroe segregated now than they were in the past. They aren't segregated - it's just that people go to school where they live. Segregation is a GOVERNMENT enforced thing - there is no forced segregation. Democrats love to twist these kind of facts and come up with new definitions for these words. This is one of the reasons I'm for vouchers - it gives inner city students (blacks and other minorities) a chance to go to a different school than just their local one where they live.
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I shall select the latter of your two examples. There is no direct comparison between Hitler and terrorism, thus one could claim the whole analogy is flawed. However, Hitler wanted war. It was his solution to Germany's problems. If you support GWB, you will say: 'Some people want war. You must confront them.' If you do not, you may well say something very similar.
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Only History will be able to judge whether Bush or the appeasers were correct. Based on history and the stated goals of al qaeda - I think history will come out on the side of Bush (as long as we aren't destroyed in the process - since the winner always gets to write the history).
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10-28-2004, 04:23 PM | #585 | |
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with the current system "swing states" not "small states" are the most important (florida is large and coastal and has many major cities)... without an electoral college... every vote, every group and every minority would be equally important
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BTW - Bush has been in New Jersey THREE times now - which so many people consider a democratic state and right now NJ is 46% Bush - 46% Kerry.
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"I shall select the latter of your two examples. There is no direct comparison between Hitler and terrorism, thus one could claim the whole analogy is flawed." I must disagree on this. Ever hear of Kristallnachte? the Blitz? the pogram against Germans of genetic defect or mental imbalance or defect who were not Jewish? the Brown Shirts against Hitler's political foes? the treatment of the Jews in Germany prior to "the Final Solution"? Hitler was a terrorist, he merely had the backing openly of a country who legislated his empowerment and activity. I await, Janny, your refutations!
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He was a political leader. He had to get things ratified by a parliament before he did them, or at least he had to employ diplomatic means to remove this necessity (The Enabling Act, March 1933).
Diplomatic means. That was actually his political stratergy post The Munich Putsch. And what has The Blitz, the German bombing of London got to do with terrorism. Legitmate warfare at the time, need I quote Dresden at you? And being the leader of a country, he could use its army and engage in non-terrorist war with stratergies (zB. Blitzkrieg) which didn't revolve around killing as many civilians as possible. Islamic terrorists have given themselves carte blanche to kill whoever they like, because they carefully studied the situation and discovered that they are the only real Muslims. Who are they accountably to? Not any of the states from which they derive.
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Now. I consider myself an officianado of Bruce.
After banging my head against the nearest wall, I realised that there is possibly no more Republican song to sing than 'No Surrender'.
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And this absolves him from terrorism? Rather it justifies it as state sponsored terrorism, doesn't it? I rather think the residents of London thought it a weapon of psychological terroe which I believe is how Hitler et alia intended it! And it was not only Russians under Stalin who feared the "knock on the door in the night".
Are you aware of the German resistance movements who opposed him at the cost of their lives? The White Rose comes to memory. They labelled him as such, IIRc! edit: cross post! I am referring to Hitler, not Bruce!
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i said that a small state can be important under the current system... it can also be ignored if one candidate has no chance there... this is also true of large states... so size of the state has absolutely nothing to do with it... how much attention a candidate pays is all about how close the race is in a given state on the flipside... look at how close the last popular vote was... about 500,000 votes in a nation of over 100,000,000 voters... with numbers that close... every vote is important to a candidate... even some rural town with a few thousand voters in the middle of nowhere could make a difference
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How on earth can you take lessons from the past from fighting Hitler to use in the modern world? Shall we make pals with Russia to get them to open up a second front in our war against Terrorland? No. Because the terrorists don't all happen to be in one place. Hitler also had the restriction of being just one guy. Get him, you got your problem. Terrorism isn't the same. If you get Osama, then you have to get Al-Zakarwa too, and all the other groups. There is no nice, easy organisation that you can necessarily crush. Has there ever been a war ever, ever, where no psychological terror was used? I hear even the Romans liked threatening barbarians with spears. Awful. And Alexander the Great. How many people did he kill? Over a million. Do we hold it against him? Only those of us who refuse to see it in the context that it occurred. Quote:
Vis-a-vis ol' Bruce's song selection: Chorus: We made a promise we swore we'd always remember No retreat, baby, no surrender Like soldiers on a winter's night with a vow to defend No retreat, baby, no surrender [COMMENT] What? This is a pro Democrat song to sing?! Not whimping out on given responsibilities? [/] Verse 3: Well on these streets the light's growing dim The walls of my room are closing in There's a war outside still raging, you say it ain't ours anymore to win, I want to sleep beneath the peaceful skies in my lover's bed With the wide open country in my eyes and those romantic dreams in my head [COMMENT] This bit seems pretty Democrat to me. There is a war going on, it's just not us that's gonna win it. And from the 'peaceful skies' bit. Desire to ignore what is going on the real world for a peaceful world that doesn't exist. Sounds a bit September the 10th to me. Seems like this embodies the whole Democrat campaign. We don't understand what's going on. We're genuine, but we don't get it.[/] I'm gonna get killed by everyone apart from JD...
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WWI was a disaster for the European Pennisula so leaders where reticent to jump right into another war. Had Woodrow Wilson had his way it is likely that Hilter would never have been a serious political force and hence not gained power in Germany. He fed off of the resentments of the people toward the victors heavy tolls against the German people in the post war period. One wonders what kind of leaders will arise in Iraq once our troops leave. I doubt we will ever truely "leave" unless forced out by an elected goverment.
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I'm not sure what you think I meant, but I believe that we will be using Iraq as a base of operations in the region as long as we can. It is a strategic operation at this point. The "Pottery Barn Rule" is in effect now. I'm only referring to that transition from "active combatant" to "peace keeper".
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