The Ring Speaks? - Page 3

Forkbeard · 01-30-2004, 01:01 AM

Mattthew,

I have to say that that is my take as well. I have no problems with the Ring seeming to grow larger or smaller or slipping off fingers. I do have a problem with the Ring making speeches.

This thread was begun mostly to see how people felt about it. Originally, elsewhere on the Net I had a one-sided discussion with someone who claims that it was the Ring that spoke and that that was the only possible interpretation: anything else was rewriting Tolkien.

So once again I want to thank everyone who responded.

Forkbeard

ethuiliel · 02-14-2004, 06:01 PM

I think it was sort of the Ring speaking through Frodo, but not quite. Frodo was completly under the control of the Ring at this point, so it wasn't Frodo speaking as he would normally, but still Frodo speaking.
Does that make any sense?

Dúnedain · 02-14-2004, 06:14 PM

Maybe it was a glimpse of what someone would be like if they could wield the ring to their own power. If they could overcome the ring and wield it through themselves, you know how it was always spoken about. Maybe in this one instance, Frodo was able to master it and will the ring to himself...

Forkbeard · 02-17-2004, 11:43 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dúnedain
Maybe it was a glimpse of what someone would be like if they could wield the ring to their own power. If they could overcome the ring and wield it through themselves, you know how it was always spoken about. Maybe in this one instance, Frodo was able to master it and will the ring to himself...

Yes, just so. I think among many other things that this episode is all but the last step in Frodo's decline and in his claiming the Ring as "his" which fully happens in the very next scene. So I think your suggestion here right on the money.

02-14-2004, 06:01 PM	#42
ethuiliel Elf Lord Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: USA until I find a way to get to Middle Earth Posts: 681	I think it was sort of the Ring speaking through Frodo, but not quite. Frodo was completly under the control of the Ring at this point, so it wasn't Frodo speaking as he would normally, but still Frodo speaking. Does that make any sense? __________________ "...but I love not the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend: the city of the Men of Numenor." "'I would,' said Faramir. And he took her in his arms and kissed her under the sunlit sky, and he cared not that they stood high upon the walls in the sight of many. And many indeed saw them and the light that shone about them as they came down from the walls and went hand in hand to the Houses of Healing."

02-14-2004, 06:14 PM	#43
Dúnedain High King of Númenórë Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Númenórë <--United States of America Posts: 1,947	Maybe it was a glimpse of what someone would be like if they could wield the ring to their own power. If they could overcome the ring and wield it through themselves, you know how it was always spoken about. Maybe in this one instance, Frodo was able to master it and will the ring to himself... __________________ 'Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta!' - And those were the words that Elendil spoke when he came up out of the Sea on the wings of the wind: 'Out of the Great Sea to Middle-earth I am come. In this place will I abide, and my heirs, unto the ending of the world.' 'Then Tuor arrayed himself in the hauberk, and set the helm upon his head, and he girt himself with the sword; black were sheath and belt with clasps of silver. Thus armed he went forth from Turgon's hall, and stood upon the high terraces of Taras in the red light of the sun. None were there to see him, as he gazed westward, gleaming in silver and gold, and he knew not that in that hour he appeared as one of the Mighty of the West, and fit to be father of the kings of the Kings of Men beyond the Sea, as it was indeed his doom to be; but in the taking of those arms a change came upon Tuor son of Huor, and his heart grew great within him. And as he stepped down from the doors the swans did him reverence, and plucking each a great feather from their wings they proffered them to him, laying their long necks upon the stone before his feet; and he took the seven feathers and set them in the crest of his helm, and straightway the swans arose and flew north in the sunset, and Tuor saw them no more.' -Of Tuor and his Coming to Gondolin "Oh. Forgive me, fairest of all males of Entmoot...Back down, all ye other wannabe fairest males! Dunedain is the fairest!" --Linaewen Last edited by Dúnedain : 02-14-2004 at 06:18 PM.

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01-30-2004, 01:01 AM	#41
Forkbeard Elven Warrior Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 369	Mattthew, I have to say that that is my take as well. I have no problems with the Ring seeming to grow larger or smaller or slipping off fingers. I do have a problem with the Ring making speeches. This thread was begun mostly to see how people felt about it. Originally, elsewhere on the Net I had a one-sided discussion with someone who claims that it was the Ring that spoke and that that was the only possible interpretation: anything else was rewriting Tolkien. So once again I want to thank everyone who responded. Forkbeard