12-26-2003, 05:59 PM | #41 |
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Yeah thats why i said no1 in the third age could beat him in single combat. and of course he was strong other wise any warrior would have killed him easly in the second age.
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12-26-2003, 11:32 PM | #42 |
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Well he was stated to be the most powerful maia who allied with Morgoth. He was also mightier than Saruman aka Curumo who was was stated to be "mighty among Aule's people (or something to that effect)". I can't be sure, but it may have been hinted at that Sauron was the most powerful maia of all, but I can't back that up.
It never sat well with me that Gil-Galad and Elendil were able to beat Sauron in combat (and this when he had the ring). The only way the resolution of the combat makes sense to me is if Gil Galad was an extremely powerful Elf, on par with the likes of Fingolfin. Tolkien never gave him much exposure, so I think it's at least possible. On the other hand he never specifically mentioned it, which is why I still find their battle to be confusing.
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12-27-2003, 08:06 AM | #45 |
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Melian Vs Sauron?????
Melian is more of a white maia. Shes no where near Saurons fight power, like i said feanor would beat morgoth in combat if he concentrated on his arm. However if Morgoth protected his hand Feanor would get tired and lose in the end. Sauron would wipe the floor with melian. Hes too evil. Melian doesnt fight. I dont know much about Gil-galad apart that he and Elendil defeated Sauron in the socond age. And they were slain by side by side in the last allaince of men and elfs.
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12-27-2003, 01:28 PM | #47 |
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What will melian do? Put him to sleep? im talking about fighting skills, like i said Melian does white magic and Sauron is a far more powerful maia then melian. She could probably make a sheild around herself but like it says in silmarillion the sheild can be broken by some1 more powerful so Sauron would probably brake that sheild (like the one around menegroth)
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Sure, if magic is prohibited ...
btw: Neither Sauron nor Morgoth managed break the girdle.
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If you do a thread search there is a discussion that clears it up. Actually here is the link: http://entmoot.tolkientrail.com/show...ighlight=galad The Sil states that Hurin was the greatest mortal warrior ever. I would like to see him and Fingolfin spar in a friendly.
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Did sauron or morgoth actually try and brake the girdle? im gonna check on that but i dont think that girdle has anything to do with the fact that melian wont be able to beat Sauron in single combat.
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Morgoth would of course have tried to break the girdle, he wouldn't have let Thingol and Melian live all those years in peace unless he wasn't able to attack them.
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Turin was given the leadership of the armies of Nargothrond in favour of all the powerful Noldor Lords positioned there. As we all know it came to a bad end, arguably because of Morgoth's curse. However this is irrelevant. The mere fact that he was chosen as Nargothrond's general speaks volumes. And, personally, I always got the impression that the only man who ever lived that was mightier than him was his father. Aragorn, who was no doubt a great man, was not made of the same stuff as his distant ancestors.
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Here's an interesting one: Glorfindel vs. Sauron! Assuming he was present at the battle of the Last Alliance, the duel could have easily come to pass. He killed a Balrog in the 1st age and was stated to be even more powerful after he was re-embodied, so I think that encounter could have been really something.
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Ok, what about Arien vs. Morgoth....or Sauron even? Take a loook at my sig and you'll see that Morgoth didn't have the power to assail her after a while....
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I have an intresting one on one. Moroght v Tulkas. my money is on Tulkas. Morgoth in full power stands a chance.
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When Morgoth was at full power he was strong enough to disrupt even the works of Eru. Only because he wasted his powers on evil he became weaker. If he fought Tulkas at his full strenght he would win hands down no competition.
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