2004 Oscars - Page 3

Tuor of Gondolin · 11-29-2003, 10:48 PM

A rather pessimistic Oscar assessment in Theonering.net Nov., 29, 2003:

Sean Smith writes: Historically speaking, “The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King” doesn’t stand a hobbit’s chance in Mordor of winning this year’s best-picture Oscar. No fantasy film has ever won, nor has the third part of a trilogy. (Gosh. Not even “The Godfather: Part III”?) And only two films that grossed more than $300 million domestically (“Forrest Gump” and “Titanic”) have snagged the top prize.

FoolofaTook · 11-29-2003, 11:54 PM

Yes, but there's more to that article that's a little more positive:

"THE PARADOX is that Peter Jackson’s epic series is the underdog—a daring long shot taken years ago by New Line, which gave a $300 million-plus trilogy to a largely unproven director, putting the future of the indie studio in Jackson’s hands. “It was a truly gutsy, ballsy, old-Hollywood decision,” says one rival exec. “They took the biggest risk you could possibly take: financial ruin, shutting the f—-ing studio down.”
That backstory—as well as the quality of the films—has made “The Return of the King” the early front runner in the Oscar race, even before Academy members have seen it. “There’s an overwhelming affection for it in the industry,” the rival exec says. “So even though we tend not to root for one another, and we’re pushing our own movies, we’re actually rooting for it to win.” But it won’t be an easy race. With two months before the nominations are announced, the field is full of likely contenders. The Hollywood consensus is that Clint Eastwood’s “Mystic River” is the most certain second nominee. The third is Anthony Minghella’s “Cold Mountain.” Though Miramax hasn’t started screening the movie, it’s never a good idea to bet against Miramax heads Harvey and Bob Weinstein. “We’re all just followers in their little game,” says another rival studio source. “And I say that with a fond, and annoyed, tip of the hat.”That leaves two slots for seven other viable nominees. Three are big-studio pictures: Peter Weir’s “Master and Commander: The Far Side of the World,” Gary Ross’s “Seabiscuit” and “The Last Samurai,” starring Tom Cruise. But it’s unlikely the Academy will nominate so many epics, regardless of merit. “It’s usually one,” says a studio exec. “And that’s going to be ‘Lord of the Rings’.” If he’s right, one or two more-intimate films could sneak in. Jim Sheridan’s heartfelt “In America,” about an Irish family in 1980s Manhattan, is playing well at Academy screenings, and early response to “Big Fish,” Tim Burton’s poignant father-son tale, has been very positive. Sofia Coppola’s poetic “Lost in Translation” generated early buzz, but now seems a better bet for acting and directing nominations. And while DreamWorks’ “House of Sand and Fog,” from first-time director Vadim Perelman, is one of the most impressive debuts since “American Beauty,” it may be just too bleak.
“Academy members vote for posterity,” says one Oscar voter. “It’s got to be something they’ll be proud to see on cable three years from now.” If that’s really the criterion, Jackson may go home on Oscar night a happy man."

Tuor of Gondolin · 11-30-2003, 12:34 AM

Rats! Now you've got everyone positive again

Actually, more then Best Picture or PJ Best Director, I'd like to see Sean Astin get Best Supporting Actor (although that's probably unlikely for an epic fantasy movie- not "artsy" enough for Hollywood).
Hmm. Here's a thought . What character would Meryl Streep play in LOTR? Galadriel? Lobelia?(If the Scouring of the Shire hadn't been cut out).

hectorberlioz · 11-30-2003, 02:31 AM

OMG! meryl streep?!

i can just imagine her as lobelia! a hobbit....!
well, im getting kinda nervous now...
looks like 'mystic river' was more oscar favoured than i thought....
good thing "mists of translation" (or something like that.) is out of the nominee race....

Agalayth · 11-30-2003, 07:35 PM

Mystic River does seem to be very popular among the critics. Sean Penn will probably win best actor for that movie.

jerseydevil · 11-30-2003, 09:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by hectorberlioz
OMG! meryl streep?! i can just imagine her as lobelia! a hobbit....!
well, im getting kinda nervous now...
looks like 'mystic river' was more oscar favoured than i thought....
good thing "mists of translation" (or something like that.) is out of the nominee race....

Don't tell me you're rooting for Jackson's hack film. if RotK is anything like the previous movies - it doesn't even deserve a nomenation -let alone winning.

hectorberlioz · 12-01-2003, 02:26 PM

heck i want it to win because a fantasy or science fic film has never won before.
all the academy chooses is a bunch of look-gooders.

jerseydevil · 12-01-2003, 06:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by hectorberlioz
heck i want it to win because a fantasy or science fic film has never won before.
all the academy chooses is a bunch of look-gooders.

I would have liked it to win - if I actually felt it deserved to win. I however do no think that Jackson's movies deserve to win. I think A Beautiful Mind deserved to win however and I think that people who claim that it didn't - are just upset because their beloved LotR didn't win and had never actually seen the A Beautiful Mind.

hectorberlioz · 12-01-2003, 06:35 PM

i agree, a beautiful mind was really good, and deserved to win.
same thing with chicago(well....i thought "the pianist" deserved to win)
but its lotr's turn i think.

here's a list of oscar best pic nominee probablities...

the Missing
Return of the King
Seabiscuit
Mystic River
Cold Mountain

i think this is the definite best pic nominee list.

BeardofPants · 12-01-2003, 06:37 PM

I would be REALLY surprised if ROTK manages to blow Mystic River out of the water, because MR is just one of those mind-blowing movies that leaves your neck tingling. I just can't see ROTK doing that. ::shrug::

hectorberlioz · 12-01-2003, 06:41 PM

I wasnt listing them in order of win probabaility....
just in order of what came to mind first...

Tuor of Gondolin · 01-03-2004, 05:12 PM

For what it's worth, a favorable prediction for Sean Astin as Best Supporting Actor on:

http://members.cox.net/oscarsights/supportingactor.htm

Shadowfax · 01-04-2004, 07:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by BeardofPants
I would be REALLY surprised if ROTK manages to blow Mystic River out of the water, because MR is just one of those mind-blowing movies that leaves your neck tingling. I just can't see ROTK doing that. ::shrug::

MR may leave your neck tingling, but RotK left me sobbing my eyes out (the whole time) because it was so good!

**Nurvingiel** · 01-04-2004, 08:43 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by hectorberlioz
but its lotr's turn i think.

This is the essence of the Oscar's. Who's time is it? Who's turn is it to win?

I think RotK actually does deserve to win, and it was also the best of the three, but its quality will not be the basis for a win IMO.

Finrod Felagund · 01-05-2004, 12:09 PM

I think that the Best Picture and Best director are very likely.

Also, some special FX and sound awards and quite possbily another Best Score and maybe best song for "Into The West"

As for the actors, I can't see them winning, as much as Sean Astin may deserve at least a nomination.

Thorin II · 01-06-2004, 12:36 PM

Sean Astin may get a nomination, but I'd be very surprised if he won the award. Best Picture is certainly possible. Frankly, I think Best Director is the most likely one (apart from some FX awards). Peter Jackson deserves a lot of credit for everything he's accomplished over the trilogy. Beyond the fact that he adapted a very popular piece of literature, he also handled one of the largest productions in film history. I think PJ will win.

Tuor of Gondolin · 01-06-2004, 10:15 PM

Does anyone know if there is any relationship, a harbinger, whatever, to the Oscars to Return of the King getting some of these awards?
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http://www.theonering.net/perl/newsview/8/1073412695

"NEW YORK -- Peter Jackson's "The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King" scored a triple crown Monday, taking picture and director awards in each of three annual film honors lists from the Online Film Critics Society, the Kansas City Film Critics Circle and the Las Vegas Film Critics Society.

The concluding chapter in New Line's phenomenally successful Tolkien trilogy in December was named best picture of 2003 by the New York Film Critics Circle.

In addition to those laurels, Jackson's battle epic earned the Las Vegas critics' supporting actor nod for Sean Astin. Both the Vegas and online groups also lauded the "LOTR" finale for cinematography (Andrew Lesnie), original score (Howard Shore), costume design (Ngila Dickson and Richard Taylor), art direction and visual effects.

The online critics also honored the pic for adapted screenplay (Philippa Boyens, Jackson and Fran Walsh) and sound."

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I believe FOTR got some Best Picture awards, including in the U. K., but only technical awards Oscars. So do the above awards signify anything? I don't usually follow these yearly awards, so I have no idea of any possible omens.

Cirdan · 01-06-2004, 10:29 PM

Let me check the goat entrails.

Thorin II · 01-07-2004, 12:40 AM

I'm not sure the Online Film Critics Society, the Kansas City Film Critics Circle or the Las Vegas Film Critics Society have enough pull to impact the Oscars. I understand the Golden Globes are usually good indicators of who WON'T win Academy Awards...

dawningoftime · 01-07-2004, 04:01 PM

I am fairly confident that LoTR will do well at the Oscars this year because from the sounds of things they are eligable for more categories including best score and best song.

11-29-2003, 10:48 PM	#41
Tuor of Gondolin Elf Lord Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Southeastern Pennsylvania Posts: 1,215	A rather pessimistic Oscar assessment in Theonering.net Nov., 29, 2003: Sean Smith writes: Historically speaking, “The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King” doesn’t stand a hobbit’s chance in Mordor of winning this year’s best-picture Oscar. No fantasy film has ever won, nor has the third part of a trilogy. (Gosh. Not even “The Godfather: Part III”?) And only two films that grossed more than $300 million domestically (“Forrest Gump” and “Titanic”) have snagged the top prize. __________________ Democrat for Kerry-Edwards! Take Back America Aure entuluva!

11-30-2003, 12:34 AM	#43
Tuor of Gondolin Elf Lord Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Southeastern Pennsylvania Posts: 1,215	Rats! Now you've got everyone positive again Actually, more then Best Picture or PJ Best Director, I'd like to see Sean Astin get Best Supporting Actor (although that's probably unlikely for an epic fantasy movie- not "artsy" enough for Hollywood). Hmm. Here's a thought . What character would Meryl Streep play in LOTR? Galadriel? Lobelia?(If the Scouring of the Shire hadn't been cut out). __________________ Democrat for Kerry-Edwards! Take Back America Aure entuluva! Last edited by Tuor of Gondolin : 11-30-2003 at 12:40 AM.

11-30-2003, 02:31 AM	#44
hectorberlioz Master of Orchestration President Emeritus of Entmoot 2004-2008 Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Lost in the Opera House Posts: 9,328	OMG! meryl streep?! i can just imagine her as lobelia! a hobbit....! well, im getting kinda nervous now... looks like 'mystic river' was more oscar favoured than i thought.... good thing "mists of translation" (or something like that.) is out of the nominee race.... __________________ ACALEWIA- President of Entmoot hectorberlioz- Vice President of Entmoot Acaly und Hektor fur Presidants fur EntMut fur life! Join the discussion at Entmoot Election 2010. "Stupidissimo!"~Toscanini The Da CINDY Code The Epic Poem Of The Balrog of Entmoot: Here ~NEW! ~ Thinking of summer vacation? AboutNewJersey.com - NJ Travel & Tourism Guide

11-30-2003, 07:35 PM	#45
Agalayth Elven Warrior Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 215	Mystic River does seem to be very popular among the critics. Sean Penn will probably win best actor for that movie. __________________ Chickens at rest will stay at rest unless acted upon by an unbalanced force. Chickens in motion tend to cross the road.

12-01-2003, 02:26 PM	#47
hectorberlioz Master of Orchestration President Emeritus of Entmoot 2004-2008 Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Lost in the Opera House Posts: 9,328	heck i want it to win because a fantasy or science fic film has never won before. all the academy chooses is a bunch of look-gooders. __________________ ACALEWIA- President of Entmoot hectorberlioz- Vice President of Entmoot Acaly und Hektor fur Presidants fur EntMut fur life! Join the discussion at Entmoot Election 2010. "Stupidissimo!"~Toscanini The Da CINDY Code The Epic Poem Of The Balrog of Entmoot: Here ~NEW! ~ Thinking of summer vacation? AboutNewJersey.com - NJ Travel & Tourism Guide

11-29-2003, 11:54 PM	#42
FoolofaTook Elven Warrior Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: ??? Posts: 214	Yes, but there's more to that article that's a little more positive: "THE PARADOX is that Peter Jackson’s epic series is the underdog—a daring long shot taken years ago by New Line, which gave a $300 million-plus trilogy to a largely unproven director, putting the future of the indie studio in Jackson’s hands. “It was a truly gutsy, ballsy, old-Hollywood decision,” says one rival exec. “They took the biggest risk you could possibly take: financial ruin, shutting the f—-ing studio down.” That backstory—as well as the quality of the films—has made “The Return of the King” the early front runner in the Oscar race, even before Academy members have seen it. “There’s an overwhelming affection for it in the industry,” the rival exec says. “So even though we tend not to root for one another, and we’re pushing our own movies, we’re actually rooting for it to win.” But it won’t be an easy race. With two months before the nominations are announced, the field is full of likely contenders. The Hollywood consensus is that Clint Eastwood’s “Mystic River” is the most certain second nominee. The third is Anthony Minghella’s “Cold Mountain.” Though Miramax hasn’t started screening the movie, it’s never a good idea to bet against Miramax heads Harvey and Bob Weinstein. “We’re all just followers in their little game,” says another rival studio source. “And I say that with a fond, and annoyed, tip of the hat.”That leaves two slots for seven other viable nominees. Three are big-studio pictures: Peter Weir’s “Master and Commander: The Far Side of the World,” Gary Ross’s “Seabiscuit” and “The Last Samurai,” starring Tom Cruise. But it’s unlikely the Academy will nominate so many epics, regardless of merit. “It’s usually one,” says a studio exec. “And that’s going to be ‘Lord of the Rings’.” If he’s right, one or two more-intimate films could sneak in. Jim Sheridan’s heartfelt “In America,” about an Irish family in 1980s Manhattan, is playing well at Academy screenings, and early response to “Big Fish,” Tim Burton’s poignant father-son tale, has been very positive. Sofia Coppola’s poetic “Lost in Translation” generated early buzz, but now seems a better bet for acting and directing nominations. And while DreamWorks’ “House of Sand and Fog,” from first-time director Vadim Perelman, is one of the most impressive debuts since “American Beauty,” it may be just too bleak. “Academy members vote for posterity,” says one Oscar voter. “It’s got to be something they’ll be proud to see on cable three years from now.” If that’s really the criterion, Jackson may go home on Oscar night a happy man."

12-01-2003, 06:35 PM	#49
hectorberlioz Master of Orchestration President Emeritus of Entmoot 2004-2008 Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Lost in the Opera House Posts: 9,328	i agree, a beautiful mind was really good, and deserved to win. same thing with chicago(well....i thought "the pianist" deserved to win) but its lotr's turn i think. here's a list of oscar best pic nominee probablities... the Missing Return of the King Seabiscuit Mystic River Cold Mountain i think this is the definite best pic nominee list. __________________ ACALEWIA- President of Entmoot hectorberlioz- Vice President of Entmoot Acaly und Hektor fur Presidants fur EntMut fur life! Join the discussion at Entmoot Election 2010. "Stupidissimo!"~Toscanini The Da CINDY Code The Epic Poem Of The Balrog of Entmoot: Here ~NEW! ~ Thinking of summer vacation? AboutNewJersey.com - NJ Travel & Tourism Guide

12-01-2003, 06:37 PM	#50
BeardofPants the Shrike Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA <3 Posts: 10,647	I would be REALLY surprised if ROTK manages to blow Mystic River out of the water, because MR is just one of those mind-blowing movies that leaves your neck tingling. I just can't see ROTK doing that. ::shrug:: __________________ "Binary solo! 0000001! 00000011! 0000001! 00000011!" ~ The Humans are Dead, Flight of the Conchords

12-01-2003, 06:41 PM	#51
hectorberlioz Master of Orchestration President Emeritus of Entmoot 2004-2008 Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Lost in the Opera House Posts: 9,328	I wasnt listing them in order of win probabaility.... just in order of what came to mind first... __________________ ACALEWIA- President of Entmoot hectorberlioz- Vice President of Entmoot Acaly und Hektor fur Presidants fur EntMut fur life! Join the discussion at Entmoot Election 2010. "Stupidissimo!"~Toscanini The Da CINDY Code The Epic Poem Of The Balrog of Entmoot: Here ~NEW! ~ Thinking of summer vacation? AboutNewJersey.com - NJ Travel & Tourism Guide

01-03-2004, 05:12 PM	#52
Tuor of Gondolin Elf Lord Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Southeastern Pennsylvania Posts: 1,215	For what it's worth, a favorable prediction for Sean Astin as Best Supporting Actor on: http://members.cox.net/oscarsights/supportingactor.htm __________________ Democrat for Kerry-Edwards! Take Back America Aure entuluva! Last edited by Tuor of Gondolin : 01-04-2004 at 09:36 PM.

01-05-2004, 12:09 PM	#55
Finrod Felagund King of Nargothrond Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Canada! eh? Posts: 2,002	I think that the Best Picture and Best director are very likely. Also, some special FX and sound awards and quite possbily another Best Score and maybe best song for "Into The West" As for the actors, I can't see them winning, as much as Sean Astin may deserve at least a nomination. __________________ "THE EAGLES ARE COMING, THE EAGLES ARE COMING......AND A MOTH!!!!!"

01-06-2004, 12:36 PM	#56
Thorin II Elven Warrior Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: The Lonely Mountain Posts: 161	Sean Astin may get a nomination, but I'd be very surprised if he won the award. Best Picture is certainly possible. Frankly, I think Best Director is the most likely one (apart from some FX awards). Peter Jackson deserves a lot of credit for everything he's accomplished over the trilogy. Beyond the fact that he adapted a very popular piece of literature, he also handled one of the largest productions in film history. I think PJ will win.

01-06-2004, 10:15 PM	#57
Tuor of Gondolin Elf Lord Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Southeastern Pennsylvania Posts: 1,215	Does anyone know if there is any relationship, a harbinger, whatever, to the Oscars to Return of the King getting some of these awards? _______________________________________ http://www.theonering.net/perl/newsview/8/1073412695 "NEW YORK -- Peter Jackson's "The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King" scored a triple crown Monday, taking picture and director awards in each of three annual film honors lists from the Online Film Critics Society, the Kansas City Film Critics Circle and the Las Vegas Film Critics Society. The concluding chapter in New Line's phenomenally successful Tolkien trilogy in December was named best picture of 2003 by the New York Film Critics Circle. In addition to those laurels, Jackson's battle epic earned the Las Vegas critics' supporting actor nod for Sean Astin. Both the Vegas and online groups also lauded the "LOTR" finale for cinematography (Andrew Lesnie), original score (Howard Shore), costume design (Ngila Dickson and Richard Taylor), art direction and visual effects. The online critics also honored the pic for adapted screenplay (Philippa Boyens, Jackson and Fran Walsh) and sound." _____________________________________ I believe FOTR got some Best Picture awards, including in the U. K., but only technical awards Oscars. So do the above awards signify anything? I don't usually follow these yearly awards, so I have no idea of any possible omens. __________________ Democrat for Kerry-Edwards! Take Back America Aure entuluva! Last edited by Tuor of Gondolin : 01-06-2004 at 10:19 PM.

01-06-2004, 10:29 PM	#58
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01-07-2004, 12:40 AM	#59
Thorin II Elven Warrior Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: The Lonely Mountain Posts: 161	I'm not sure the Online Film Critics Society, the Kansas City Film Critics Circle or the Las Vegas Film Critics Society have enough pull to impact the Oscars. I understand the Golden Globes are usually good indicators of who WON'T win Academy Awards...

01-07-2004, 04:01 PM	#60
dawningoftime Enting Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 90	I am fairly confident that LoTR will do well at the Oscars this year because from the sounds of things they are eligable for more categories including best score and best song.

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