Who would be most dangerous with the one ring? - Page 3

Admiral Ackbar · 02-17-2003, 09:50 PM

Yeah, probably Gandalf... but the coolest would be *gasp* Quickbeam. Heheh... bending 'hasty' legions of Huorns and Ents to his will... if he gathered every Ent and ent-related force in the Middle-earth, no amount of brute force would be able to stop them.

gimli7410 · 02-19-2003, 01:10 AM

i say sauron

gollum9630 · 02-19-2003, 08:22 PM

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Originally posted by gimli7410
i say sauron

Obviosly it would be Sauron, but the question is probably about someone other than him. I would say Aragorn because he is the Heir of Isiluder, who cut Saurons hand, nd was the only one ever to injure him.

galadriel · 02-19-2003, 08:48 PM

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Originally posted by gollum9630
Obviosly it would be Sauron, but the question is probably about someone other than him. I would say Aragorn because he is the Heir of Isiluder, who cut Saurons hand, nd was the only one ever to injure him.

Was it really Isildur's superior abilities that led to the success of his attack on Sauron, or just dumb luck? I always attributed it to the latter.

Besides, Isildur wasn't so powerful when in control of the Ring - being a Ringbearer led to his death.

Even if we did give Isildur some credit for beating up Sauron, Aragorn's not Isildur. Sure, he inherited some of his ancestor's abilities... but it's not the same thing.

Lollypopgurl · 02-19-2003, 09:33 PM

Yeah, Isildur didn't really start taking over the world when he got the Ring. But then, maybe he wasn't completely corrupted yet.

gollum9630 · 02-20-2003, 12:52 AM

yah, but u could still tell the ring was taking him over, especially that he did not destroy it, showing he wanted to use it for power.

Fouler · 02-20-2003, 05:44 AM

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Gandalf was greater than Sauron in the TA, with no rings involved

Where does it say that Gandalf was greater than Sauron without the rings? We know that Gandalf was wisest amongst the mair but he is by no means nearly, the most powerful mair.There have been numerous references that state Gandalf as the inferior being to Sauron.Gandalf was at no point more powerful, actually the exact opposite and Sauron is head of Morgoths soldiers, which show power in rank.

I'm not sure if it's just me, but Gandalf the white just doesn't seem likely to last long in a fight with the dark lord.Could you support your claim?

Fouler

Mór · 02-20-2003, 09:46 AM

I would also go with Feanor...or maybe Turin Turambar, Just after finding out what the worm had made him do ..hehe ??

Gwaimir Windgem · 02-20-2003, 12:17 PM

Well, if we're pulling out the Silmarillion, then it would be Morgoth, obviously.

In the TA...

Ghan-buri-Ghan!

No doubt Sauron would.

Elf.Freak · 02-20-2003, 01:39 PM

i'd say either Sauron or Saruman

galadriel · 02-20-2003, 02:21 PM

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Originally posted by gollum9630
yah, but u could still tell the ring was taking him over, especially that he did not destroy it, showing he wanted to use it for power.

He was certainly corrupted by the Ring... but not necessarily the most powerful wielder.

Gwaimir Windgem · 02-20-2003, 06:04 PM

Definitely not the most powerful wielder. Tolkien discussed Frodo, Gollum, and the Ring in his Letters. He said that neither of them could have kept the Ring from Sauron.

gollum9630 · 02-21-2003, 12:31 AM

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Originally posted by galadriel
He was certainly corrupted by the Ring... but not necessarily the most powerful wielder.

I never said he would be the most powerful with the ring, I said Aragorn would be.

Fouler · 02-21-2003, 01:35 PM

I think that Sauron is the most powerful foe, one could ever meet except Morgoth.Alorin just seems too underpowered to contend with Sauron.

Sauron would smite his ass

.Tolkien left it to us to decide who is more powerful, and i will *** ****** believe in Sauron

Pity he was killed by a cat

[edited for language -- Azalea]

galadriel · 02-21-2003, 05:46 PM

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Originally posted by gollum9630
I never said he would be the most powerful with the ring, I said Aragorn would be.

Oops. My bad. Must remember to fully recollect what it is I am responding to before I post. Or just get more sleep.

So, to rephrase my response: Isildur wasn't all mighty and powerful with the ring, he just had the dumb luck/skill/what have you to cut it off. As his descendent, I guess Aragorn could inherit Isildur's skill (although not his luck) and might have a good chance at cutting off the ring in a similar situation, but that doesn't quite translate to being a good master of the ring once he has it. But maybe I'm missing something here in your logic.

02-17-2003, 09:50 PM	#41
Admiral Ackbar Hobbit Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Canada Posts: 30	re Yeah, probably Gandalf... but the coolest would be gasp Quickbeam. Heheh... bending 'hasty' legions of Huorns and Ents to his will... if he gathered every Ent and ent-related force in the Middle-earth, no amount of brute force would be able to stop them. __________________ "We've got to give those fighters more time! Concentrate all firepower on that Super Star Destroyer!"--Admiral Ackbar

02-19-2003, 01:10 AM	#42
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02-19-2003, 09:33 PM	#45
Lollypopgurl Elven Warrior Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 222	Yeah, Isildur didn't really start taking over the world when he got the Ring. But then, maybe he wasn't completely corrupted yet. __________________ a violinist...

02-20-2003, 09:46 AM	#48
Mór Sapling Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Tavrobel Posts: 7	The most dangerous with the one ring ? I would also go with Feanor...or maybe Turin Turambar, Just after finding out what the worm had made him do ..hehe ??

02-20-2003, 12:17 PM	#49
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	Well, if we're pulling out the Silmarillion, then it would be Morgoth, obviously. In the TA... Ghan-buri-Ghan! No doubt Sauron would. __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle

02-20-2003, 12:52 AM	#46
gollum9630 Canadian Guy. Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: The true North Strong and Free Posts: 1,513	yah, but u could still tell the ring was taking him over, especially that he did not destroy it, showing he wanted to use it for power.

02-20-2003, 01:39 PM	#50
Elf.Freak Orli's lil fan Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Sugar World/Orlando Bloom Cloud Posts: 464	i'd say either Sauron or Saruman __________________ >>--elven arrow--> ~ Give a man a fish and he'll feed for a day, give me a fish and you'll only get it back! ~ I've gotta new avatar! looks kinda like me...anime style! ~ LOST: Orlando Bloom. If found, please send him straight to Elf.Freak

02-20-2003, 06:04 PM	#52
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	Definitely not the most powerful wielder. Tolkien discussed Frodo, Gollum, and the Ring in his Letters. He said that neither of them could have kept the Ring from Sauron. __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle

02-21-2003, 01:35 PM	#54
Fouler Sapling Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 2	I think that Sauron is the most powerful foe, one could ever meet except Morgoth.Alorin just seems too underpowered to contend with Sauron. Sauron would smite his ass .Tolkien left it to us to decide who is more powerful, and i will * **** believe in Sauron Pity he was killed by a cat [edited for language -- Azalea]

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