Legolas

[azalea]

Then where was it that the Avari were not allowed to go? As mentioned in another thread not too long ago (I can't remember where, I'll have to do a search). Now I'm confused .

[Arien the Maia]

Originally posted by azalea
Then where was it that the Avari were not allowed to go? As mentioned in another thread not too long ago (I can't remember where, I'll have to do a search). Now I'm confused .

I don't think that the Avari were not excluded from going to Aman by any will of the Valar. The Avari themselves chose not to go when Orome first discovered them. They only understood of Aman and Valinor as a distant rumor.

[azalea]

Well, I found it: in the Why were the elves leaving Middle Earth thread, Nolendil said the Avari were NOT able to go. But then as I just reread it, I noticed that he had answered the question I asked here! He said the choice would be open to elves descended from both Eldar and Avari.

[Arien the Maia]

Originally posted by azalea
Well, I found it: in the Why were the elves leaving Middle Earth thread, Nolendil said the Avari were NOT able to go. But then as I just reread it, I noticed that he had answered the question I asked here! He said the choice would be open to elves descended from both Eldar and Avari.

Thanks!

[Alquagarwaen]

legolaslvr, I am sorry if I hurt u, but I loose my self-control that time, I tell u, keep reeding Tolkien, but be sure of what are u talking about when u open that sensitive mouth, that mouth that can say nice things, or things that can make me mad.
See ya

[Alquagarwaen]

[Rant Deleted]
Legolas is Sindarin and Eglath (his grand father was it), but there is a third blood on his vains, I know it.
I will investigate more the genealogical tree.

Respectfully...
Alquagarwaen.



Last edited by Sister Golden Hair

[Sister Golden Hair]

Again, we do not know what kind of Elf Legolas' mother was.

[Legolas]

Perhaps Tolkien portrayed Legolas so little just to make the readers imagine his background story by themselves?

And I also have a question (with the risk of being flamed) - what is the relationship between Eglath and Moriquendi? Isn't this the same term?

[Inderjit Sanghera]

Eglath=Sindar- The Sindar were a 'higher' race of Avari, and since they wanted to go to Aman, they can be accounted as
Eldar. They were of the tibe of the Teleri who sought longest for Elwe, and they missed Ulmo's summons, thus the term 'eglath'-the forsaken.

The 'Moriquendi', or 'Elves of Darkness' were a mixture of Tatyarin (pre-Noldor) and Nelyarin (pre-Teleri) Elves. Most of the Avari of Beleriand were Tatyarin, and they were unfriendly with the Sindar and Noldor, claiming that they had deserted them, but the Nelyarin Avari were more friendly and they often merged with Sindarin and Silvan Elves, in kingdoms such as Oropher/Thranduil's in Mirkwood and possibly Amdir's in Lothlorien.

[Legoles]

Originally posted by Findegil
His grandfather Oropher was certanly an Eglath. For his father Thranduil I think that he had seen Menegroth also by his owne eyes. But we did know nothing of Legolas mother. So we can only say that on the side of his male ancestors he was an Eglath.

Respectfully
Findegil

You know to mutch where do you get all this knowledge?

[Gwaimir Windgem]

Hehe, sound like the folk from the AIM LOTR chat that have the misfortune to tangle with me on trivia. Fortunately for me, it seems that full-blown Loremasters never go to chatrooms.

Anyway, I would guess that it comes from HOME, though it could be Unfinished Tales.

[Legolas]

How can so much knowledge come from home?

What the name of the AIM LotR chatroom?

[Gwaimir Windgem]

*shrugs* I dunno. I just invite myself to a chat, then scroll down and click 'Lord of the Rings'.

WARNING: NOT FOR THE FAINT OF HEART. The LOTR chatroom contains:

Positively mindless fangirls.
FG1: legolas is hott
FG2: yeah I kno
FG3: yeah, legolas is real hott
FG1: yeah, he iz.

And so goes on the cycle of adoration.

Pureblooded moviegoers, who think any and all books are a waste of time.

'LOTR sux' fools.

Fool: lotr sux
Otherperson: Why does it suck?
Fool: bcuz it sux
Otherperson: Can you give any reasons why it sucks?
Fool: lotr sux

I mean, good LORD, people...

And this is just a sample of the evils that lurk in that dark place.

But you can meet some true LOTR fans there. It can be good. Sometimes, you can get involved in Trivia bouts, which naturally can be interesting.

[Alquagarwaen]

Don`t forget that part of the eglath were Teleri too, so say eglath is not the same thing that the Sindar.

[Ruinel]

Before I put anything in this thread, I'd like to say that some of the posts here were rather shocking! I do not like the Orlando Bloom Fangirls either. As a matter of fact, I avoided this thread because it simply said "Legolas" (and the fear of the Orli Fangirls overcame my mind). And I can honestly say that I never (even as a young Elf-girl) ever had a crush on a movie star. But I also think that some of the things said were ... whoa! way out of line. 'Nuf sed.

From the Sil

Yet many of the Quendi were filled with dread at his (Orome) coming; and this was the doing of Melkor.

bla, bla, bla...

Thus it was that when Nahar neighed and Orome indeed came among them, some of the Quendi hid themselves, and some fled and were lost.

Of the Moriquendi (Elves that never saw Valinor):
those that fled from Orome in the first place were Avari;
those that went on the journey across ME with Orome were the Teleri, Noldor and Vanyar.
those Teleri who stopped along the route and never left ME were the Sindar (Elwe/Thingol's people), Nandor and Laiquendi.

We know that Oropher and Thranduil (and I suppose then Legolas) were Sindar who ruled Silvan Elves. I think that Eglath would refer to an individual that actually searched for Elwe/Thingol. Legolas seemed so inexperienced in ME that I always got the impression that he was offspring after Thranduil moved his people north of Mirkwood and after the war in which Oropher died. Therefore, I feel he would not be considered Eglath, but yes, Sindar. Do you agree?

That's all I found regarding the Elves that did not leave ME.