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In response to your points: [QUOTE][B]Frodo DID NOT offer the ring to the Nazgul. At first glance, it looked that way. But if you watch that scene closely, you'll see that he was struggling with himself about whether to put on the ring and had the ring in front of him because it was still around his neck on the chain.[B] Hmm ok Ill take your word for it but Ill have to pay close attention to this part the third time I watch the movie. Quote:
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I don't disagree with you, Insidious Rex. In fact, this is exactly what Sauron did. But instead of only sending his Nazgul, I'm predicting he'll sent them AND an entire army against Gondor.
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But my prediction is that in the beginning of RotK we will see how Aragorn gets his hands on and uses the PalantĂ*r. Sauron will get frightened as he did in the book, and throw everything he got at Gondor. Not to get the Ring, but to defeat Gondor as soon as possible.
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I think the whole scene was a bad idea on PJ's part. However, it's there now.
I don't think the pteradactyl or whatever it was would recognize the ring when it saw it, anymore than a horse would. That's not a danger. The Nazgul may have sensed it, but it would have known a hobbit held it - which conveys what information to Sauron? What is a hobbit doing with the ring if Gandalf or Aragorn has it? Makes no sense. I agree with Jonathan, that Aragorn better look in the palantir and chat with Sauron, to disabuse him of the notion that a hobbit has the ring if nothing else. |
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Frodo DOES reveal the One Ring to Faramir. That's the only correction I have to offer the post.
But I agree with several others that Sauron will think the Ring is with Gondor and turn his eye there allowing Frodo and Sam to sneak up the back stair. I really don't like the whole Osgiliath thing. In cinema can't Faramir just tell the Hobbits about Osgiliath and we would see pictures. My Faramir would never go against the decision of the Council of the Wise.
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The Nazgul seeing Frodo with the ring isn't really a problem, if he did infact see it (poor vision in daylight). The witch-king already saw Frodo PUT ON the ring at weathertop (in both the movie and book, at night). So Gandalf hoping that Sauron seeing Pippin would help their cause is wrong - Sauron already knows that Pippin isn't carrying the ring, he would more than likely just try and find out where the ring is.
As for the ring being at Osgiliath... this actually makes more sense to me than Sauron never knowing where it is. Why would Men take the ring to Osgiliath, which is under attack, if they didn't plan to use it as a weapon against Sauron? He would assume that the ring was taken back to Gondor by those that escaped from Osgiliath, and so would want to attack Gondor before they found out how to use the ring. It says somewhere in the books that the ring is difficult for anyone to learn to use, even someone as powerful as gandalf. Last edited by Aranwe : 02-10-2003 at 02:16 PM. |
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You're quite right. That, and aren't Nazgul supposed to be "drawn to the ring" at all times, "feeling its presence" (Aragorn in the first movie, I believe).
It is possible to justify that scene, as above, but it requires some pretty nimble mental gymnastics. To me it was much more about maxing the scary undead screen time. I wonder how much sense it made to folks who hadn't read the book? |
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And if Sauron thinks that they will try and use the ring against him, it would be dumb to send all his wraiths to attack. What if gandalf had the ring? If Eowyn can kill the witch-king with a sword I'm sure gandalf could easily fend off an attack from all 9 wraiths if he had the ring. Also, when they are in Bree, Aragorn says that the wraiths do not attack openly unless they are desperate. The quote is something like "In dark and loneliness they are strongest. They will not openly attack a house where there are many people." If they wont attack a house with unarmed peasants there's no way they would attack a defended city, in daylight. They also fled from weathertop when the ring was defended only by a few hobbits and a single man. They didn't even know who aragorn was at the time, so they couldn't have been scared for that reason. |
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