Led Zeppelin - Page 3

Snowdog · 07-24-2002, 02:20 PM

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The animals did the definitive version of "House of the Rising Sun"....

The Animals collectivly wrote House of the Rising Sun, though Alan Price was the only one given credit. This would be a sore subject among the members of the Animals for years to come.

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Hey, nobody mentioned Stairway to Heaven yet!

Stairway to Heaven has to be the most overrated song the Led ever done. When I got and first played the Zep IV album having not heard anything from it before (New Years 1972), I didn't care for Stairway. it was too meandering and sleepy, though I did like the last part. Then it became the huge radio icon song through the 70s and 80s, and now I just can't listen to it. And I never thought Stairway had anything to do with Tolkien anyway, so I believe the band.

Ñólendil · 07-24-2002, 05:15 PM

It's about Celtic Mythology, it certainly has no more to do with the Lord of the Rings than the Lord of the Rings has to do with Celtic Mythology.

But I love Stairway to Heaven. I'm not one of those that only likes the "fast and loud" songs. I love the sound of that song, it's just enchanting. Of course, I also like the kick ass part at the end. I find it moving, the whole thing taken together. Another one of my favorites is the Rain Song, which also has nothing to do with the Lord of the Rings as far as I know. The only Tolkien Songs I think are Battle of Evermore, Misty Mountain Hop and possibly Ramble On and I Gotta Leave You, Baby.

BeardofPants · 07-24-2002, 07:00 PM

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Originally posted by Snowdog
The Animals collectivly wrote House of the Rising Sun, though Alan Price was the only one given credit.

No, I'm pretty sure that it's a traditional folk song.

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***azalea*** · 07-25-2002, 09:35 PM

I would also venture to say that the songs mentioned may refer to LotR, but aren't necessarily about it. I especially disagree with Misty Mountain Hop being about LotR. It's about drugs and ennui, and it happens to mention the Misty Mountains as a place he wants to go to. At least that's how I see it. *waits for deluge* Oh and I like Stairway, too, but Battle of Evermore is my favorite off that album.

Cirdan · 07-25-2002, 10:34 PM

Yes, Misty Mountain Hop was nit about LotR.

There is a thematic similarity between Led Zeppelin's music and Tolkien's work. Both were interested in mythology and fantasy. Many of Zeppelin's songs are mystical in nature. There are themes in the film "The Song Remains The Same" that expound on Page's interest in magic as well as the other's interest in medieval themes. The influences are simliar so I associate other songs with LotR, like "No Quarter" even though there isn't a direct link. The same goes with "Kashmir" and several other songs.

Snowdog · 07-28-2002, 04:51 PM

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(Snowdog: 'The Animals collectivly wrote House of the Rising Sun, though Alan Price was the only one given credit.'

Beard of Pants: "No, I'm pretty sure that it's a traditional folk song."

Yes, you are correct and I stand corrected. I should have remembered as I am a Woody/Pete fan. I went off my 45 label which gives writing credit to Alan Price and read some Animals band history notes that had to do with the royalties paid for the song. Being that I saw Zep in 1969 and again in 1977, they would play many songs (especially in 69) such as Train kept a Rollin, Smokestack Lightning, Crossroads, etc, and at the pop festival there was a reel-to-reel at the soundboard so its very possible there is a bootleg out there with a Zep version of the Rising Sun.

Now, taking credit for public domain/traditional songs is nothing new in music, and Led Zep has been guilty of such as well (Dazed & Confused by Jake Holmes & Nobodys Fault But Mine by Blind Willie Johnson for example). It is the way of the business.

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Ñólendil said: "I'm not one of those that only likes the "fast and loud" songs."

I'm just clarifying here that I love Zeps mellower music, for Zep I & Zep III are a couple of my favorite albums. On IV, I think Battle of Evermore is a way better song than Stairway. I just never really cared for that song is all. I know I'm in the minority here when it comes to liking/not liking that song, but then, I always have been since the album's release.

BeardofPants · 07-28-2002, 05:06 PM

No, you're not the only one.

I've just started listening to Zep recently and I'm just not sold on Stairway to Heaven. I guess it's because it's not as ... hmm... I dunno... complicated? as some other stuff that I've listened to. Not that I'm trying to be a musical snob or anything, but Battle of Evermore and Kashmir are just brilliantly written - and it seems that that is what Stairway to Heaven *should* be like. Eh, not that I have anything against it, cos it's an okay song in a folksy way - but Bob Dylan does them better... Okay, now I really am rambling!

Comic Book Guy · 07-28-2002, 06:17 PM

My opinion is that Led Zeppelin's best folk song is "Going to California", it's a very 'soft' song. I love the Battle of Evermore until it gets to the weird ending, I don't understand it.

BeardofPants · 07-28-2002, 07:50 PM

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I love the Battle of Evermore until it gets to the weird ending, I don't understand it.

The lyrics, or the music?

Comic Book Guy · 07-28-2002, 08:09 PM

The music, it doesn't fit in with the rest of the song.

***azalea*** · 07-28-2002, 09:52 PM

What are your favorite songs off of each album?

I = How Many More Times
II = Bring it on Home
III = Since I've Been Loving You
IV = Battle of Evermore
Houses of the Holy = No Quarter
Physical Graffiti = Ten Years Gone
In Through the Out Door = In the Evening
And I forget what comes next, was Achilles Last Stand on Coda? If so that's my favorite on that. Did I miss one?
EDIT: Achilles' Last Stand is on PRESENCE; my favorite off of Coda is Poor Tom.
second edit: okay, if I get to pick a song off of each of the 2 PG albums I pick Bron-yr-aur as my other one.

Cirdan · 07-28-2002, 11:58 PM

I - "Dazed and Confused"
II - "What Is And What Should Never Be"
III - "That's The Way"
IV - "Rock and Roll"
HH - "No Quarter"
PG - "Kashmir" & "In The Light" (2x album...)
Presence - "Nobody's Fault But Mine"

Lizra · 07-29-2002, 01:50 AM

"Rock and Roll" is sooooo good!

olsonm · 07-29-2002, 01:57 AM

I - Babe, I'm Gonna Leave You.
II - Bring it on Home
III - That's the Way
- Four Sticks
HotH - Over the Hills and Far Away
PG I - In My Time of Dying
PG II - In the Light
Presence - Hots on For Nowhere
ITTOD - Fool in the Rain
Coda - We're Gonna Groove

BeardofPants · 08-08-2002, 03:50 AM

Okay, after much downloading and listening, here is my preliminary list thus far:

I - Your time is gonna come
II - Thank you
III - Tangerine
IV - Battle of Evermore
HH - No Quarter
PG I - Kashmir
PG II - In the Light

I haven't made it past that point yet with the other albums.

BeardofPants · 09-01-2002, 06:47 PM

In throught the out door: All My Love.

07-24-2002, 05:15 PM	#42
Ñólendil Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: California Posts: 60,865	It's about Celtic Mythology, it certainly has no more to do with the Lord of the Rings than the Lord of the Rings has to do with Celtic Mythology. But I love Stairway to Heaven. I'm not one of those that only likes the "fast and loud" songs. I love the sound of that song, it's just enchanting. Of course, I also like the kick ass part at the end. I find it moving, the whole thing taken together. Another one of my favorites is the Rain Song, which also has nothing to do with the Lord of the Rings as far as I know. The only Tolkien Songs I think are Battle of Evermore, Misty Mountain Hop and possibly Ramble On and I Gotta Leave You, Baby. __________________ Falmon -- Dylan

07-25-2002, 10:34 PM	#45
Cirdan Elf Lord of the Grey Havens Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: somewhere else Posts: 2,381	Yes, Misty Mountain Hop was nit about LotR. There is a thematic similarity between Led Zeppelin's music and Tolkien's work. Both were interested in mythology and fantasy. Many of Zeppelin's songs are mystical in nature. There are themes in the film "The Song Remains The Same" that expound on Page's interest in magic as well as the other's interest in medieval themes. The influences are simliar so I associate other songs with LotR, like "No Quarter" even though there isn't a direct link. The same goes with "Kashmir" and several other songs. __________________ There exists a limit to the force even ther most powerful may apply without destroying themselves. Judging this limit is the true artistry of government. Misuse of power is the fatal sin. The law cannot be a tool of vengance, never a hostage, nor a fortification against the martyrs it has created. You cannot threaten any individual and escape the consequences. -Muad'dib on Law The Stilgar Commentary

07-28-2002, 05:06 PM	#47
BeardofPants the Shrike Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA <3 Posts: 10,647	No, you're not the only one. I've just started listening to Zep recently and I'm just not sold on Stairway to Heaven. I guess it's because it's not as ... hmm... I dunno... complicated? as some other stuff that I've listened to. Not that I'm trying to be a musical snob or anything, but Battle of Evermore and Kashmir are just brilliantly written - and it seems that that is what Stairway to Heaven should be like. Eh, not that I have anything against it, cos it's an okay song in a folksy way - but Bob Dylan does them better... Okay, now I really am rambling! __________________ "Binary solo! 0000001! 00000011! 0000001! 00000011!" ~ The Humans are Dead, Flight of the Conchords

07-28-2002, 09:52 PM	#51
*azalea* Long lost mooter Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 3,342	What are your favorite songs off of each album? I = How Many More Times II = Bring it on Home III = Since I've Been Loving You IV = Battle of Evermore Houses of the Holy = No Quarter Physical Graffiti = Ten Years Gone In Through the Out Door = In the Evening And I forget what comes next, was Achilles Last Stand on Coda? If so that's my favorite on that. Did I miss one? EDIT: Achilles' Last Stand is on PRESENCE; my favorite off of Coda is Poor Tom. second edit: okay, if I get to pick a song off of each of the 2 PG albums I pick Bron-yr-aur as my other one. Last edited by azalea : 07-29-2002 at 09:04 AM.

07-28-2002, 11:58 PM	#52
Cirdan Elf Lord of the Grey Havens Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: somewhere else Posts: 2,381	I - "Dazed and Confused" II - "What Is And What Should Never Be" III - "That's The Way" IV - "Rock and Roll" HH - "No Quarter" PG - "Kashmir" & "In The Light" (2x album...) Presence - "Nobody's Fault But Mine" __________________ There exists a limit to the force even ther most powerful may apply without destroying themselves. Judging this limit is the true artistry of government. Misuse of power is the fatal sin. The law cannot be a tool of vengance, never a hostage, nor a fortification against the martyrs it has created. You cannot threaten any individual and escape the consequences. -Muad'dib on Law The Stilgar Commentary

07-25-2002, 09:35 PM	#44
*azalea* Long lost mooter Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 3,342	I would also venture to say that the songs mentioned may refer to LotR, but aren't necessarily about it. I especially disagree with Misty Mountain Hop being about LotR. It's about drugs and ennui, and it happens to mention the Misty Mountains as a place he wants to go to. At least that's how I see it. waits for deluge Oh and I like Stairway, too, but Battle of Evermore is my favorite off that album.

07-28-2002, 06:17 PM	#48
Comic Book Guy Best Ex-Administrator ever Join Date: May 2001 Location: Ireland Posts: 60,547	My opinion is that Led Zeppelin's best folk song is "Going to California", it's a very 'soft' song. I love the Battle of Evermore until it gets to the weird ending, I don't understand it.

07-28-2002, 08:09 PM	#50
Comic Book Guy Best Ex-Administrator ever Join Date: May 2001 Location: Ireland Posts: 60,547	The music, it doesn't fit in with the rest of the song.

07-29-2002, 01:50 AM	#53
Lizra Domesticated Swing Babe Join Date: May 2002 Location: Reality Posts: 5,340	"Rock and Roll" is sooooo good!

07-29-2002, 01:57 AM	#54
olsonm Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: minneapolis MN Posts: 920	I - Babe, I'm Gonna Leave You. II - Bring it on Home III - That's the Way - Four Sticks HotH - Over the Hills and Far Away PG I - In My Time of Dying PG II - In the Light Presence - Hots on For Nowhere ITTOD - Fool in the Rain Coda - We're Gonna Groove __________________ Gandalf lives...oh and Frodo too. Haldir Lives!!!

08-08-2002, 03:50 AM	#55
BeardofPants the Shrike Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA <3 Posts: 10,647	Okay, after much downloading and listening, here is my preliminary list thus far: I - Your time is gonna come II - Thank you III - Tangerine IV - Battle of Evermore HH - No Quarter PG I - Kashmir PG II - In the Light I haven't made it past that point yet with the other albums. __________________ "Binary solo! 0000001! 00000011! 0000001! 00000011!" ~ The Humans are Dead, Flight of the Conchords Last edited by BeardofPants : 10-20-2002 at 05:19 AM.

09-01-2002, 06:47 PM	#56
BeardofPants the Shrike Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA <3 Posts: 10,647	In throught the out door: All My Love. __________________ "Binary solo! 0000001! 00000011! 0000001! 00000011!" ~ The Humans are Dead, Flight of the Conchords

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