What ommission would be most unwelcome in the next two films? - Page 3

mirrille · 02-28-2002, 01:33 AM

Faramir can't kill the witch-king though. That totally ruins the whole "can't be killed by a man" thing about the witch-king. It has to be Eowyn. I'd hate it if they cut out too much of her role.

I think the ending will have to be bittersweet. You can't have a Hollywood happy happy joy joy ending to this because I think they are going for that "epic" feel. No proper "epic" feel movie can end on a sick-sweet happy happy note and still retain that feel. It would be lame. Although they could soften it, they couldn't sugar-coat it.

I don't like omissions as much as I like outright distortions. E.g. I can deal with lifting the scouring of the shire (a clean lift!

) , but I couldn't deal with a scouring that was changed so that the hobbits were rescued by a bunch of elves who happened to be wandering by and it was Sauron instead of Saruman they were trying to chase out or some other weird, inexplicable change.

Pailan · 02-28-2002, 12:20 PM

Well I just read on tolkien online that the scouring of the shire is cut out for sure. I left a more explicit post in the TT Edit thread.

I read a while back (before the movie was released ) that the single most moving scene in the entire shoot was the Grey Havens scene. So no Hollywood joy fest. Thankfully.

Starr Polish · 02-28-2002, 08:14 PM

I haven't gotten to the scouring yet, BUT...
I think it will make sense to leave it out. Most movies can only base on one major theme, thus, the destroying of the one ring/Sauron.

Evenstar · 02-28-2002, 10:41 PM

I just know that I am going to cry when the last film finishes!!!

I have a question. You know how in the appendix they have what happens to the fellowship afterward, like Pippin becoming a Thain and Sam eventually going to the Havens, will they have that in the movie???
I think that showing it will be the only way that I won't be on my knees wailing!!! Those last three words from Sam "Well, I'm back", had me sitting on my bed bawling, thinking, GO TO FRODO!!!

Arathorn · 02-28-2002, 11:18 PM

I know one way they could ruin it. After Sam says "I'm back.", He stands up and the camera zooms out to show the set, the booms, the lights, and he proceeds to show introduce the rest of the cast including voice actors a la sitcom season ender. PJ then shows up with a copy each of the 3 DVDs trying to make a sales pitch.

RosieCotton · 03-01-2002, 11:48 AM

Yeah, that would sort of turn me off to the end, haha. I really hope they keep Sam's Song in there...I really love that and I would be really ticked off if they cut it out. If they don't keep it, how is Sam going to find Frodo?
~Rosie~

Gerbil · 03-01-2002, 11:54 AM

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Originally posted by Arathorn
I know one way they could ruin it. After Sam says "I'm back.", He stands up and the camera zooms out to show the set, the booms, the lights, and he proceeds to show introduce the rest of the cast including voice actors a la sitcom season ender. PJ then shows up with a copy each of the 3 DVDs trying to make a sales pitch.

Don't be stupid.
Of course that won't be at the end of the Return of the King.
They will save that for the special edition.

Sheesh......

Arathorn · 03-01-2002, 12:09 PM

Wow. LOL, I should've used the happy smiley. I was expecting laughter and I get scorn instead. Take it easy hamster

Anyway, now that you've brought up special edition; wouldn't it be cool if they did sindar and quenya audio tracks aside from the director commentaries?

Earenya · 03-01-2002, 12:20 PM

I still say its a shame that they're cutting the scouring. I mean, sure, after the destruction of the ring and 3 years for the non readers to wait its definately a cleaner ending. But come on- its part of the point. Its part of what makes it ok for Gandalf/Elves to leave, because the little people, because the mortals, are able to fend for themselves- its an example of what the end of the third age is an end of- the end of 'magic' being needed.

Gerbil · 03-01-2002, 01:09 PM

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Originally posted by Arathorn
[B]Wow. LOL, I should've used the happy smiley. I was expecting laughter and I get scorn instead.

No you didn't, you got a silly answer, delivered deadpan. Of course, with text the effect is lost somewhat, so I am probably more guilty of the need to have put a

there!

Quote:

Take it easy hamster

You must be thinking of a relative of mine

Khadrane · 03-10-2002, 11:17 AM

They better have the Scouring of the Shire. I would be so ticked off if they make Saruman die on a spikey wheel. I also hope they leave the Dead Marshes in.

Rosie-Lass · 03-10-2002, 11:23 AM

They're leaving the Dead Marshes in, Elijah Wood said that it was his favourite thing to film.

Ërendil · 03-10-2002, 05:23 PM

I can't believe that they atre cutting out the Scouring of the Shire! That is one of my favourite parts!

And i really don't like Arwen and ill be really mad if she is in it too much!

Can someone please e-mail me with answers to these questions?

What does Arwen do in the next 2 films? - I mean i have read that she virtually takes over Eowyns part, and acts as a guide to Frodo and Sam.
Which parts are being left out and which ones are being modifyed?

I know that that sounds like a lot but i need to know.

Earenya · 03-10-2002, 07:30 PM

A GUIDE to Frodo & Sam? hmm, Im not so sure about that...

jerseydevil · 03-10-2002, 08:13 PM

I think you were referring to this post - but I may be wrong - Arwen's role expanded in Two Towers and Return of the King

In it I make a sarcastic senario where Arwen is a guide to Frodo and Sam and then takes Eowyn's part. Rest assured these were just sarcastic senarios I made up about how Jackson could expand her role. Jackson completely destoryed the Flight to the Ford scene by making her take over everyone's part - I was just thinking more ways he could do that in TT and RotK.

I just wanted to put you at ease - I really don't think Jackson, unless he has a death wish, will be doing the two scenarios I made up. However, Arwen, I feel, will be just as hateable in the next two movies.

Arathorn · 03-10-2002, 08:32 PM

Taking off from Gerbil's suggestion of a special edition DVD on this thread, I posted on a similar similar thread (Tom Bombadil) with the following:

Quote:

Give it a few years. Technology will be available for a special edition DVD or even one of the new Blu-ray discs(in 1 to 3 yrs) which can store a little more than 5 times that of DVD's today. With today's games allowing you to paste and even morph your pics. on to game players, they can easily do a remake of the Arwen scenes or even get EW and Co. to redo THEM plus a new actor for Glorfindel. They can then come up with original and enhanced plotline features on the discs. This goes for Maggot, Tom, and anyone else not in the current release.
It worked for ILM/Lucas; why not for WETA/PJ?

Earenya · 03-11-2002, 02:17 PM

Thank you, jerseydevil. I was indeed concerned... I honestly dont mind expanding her role a bit, but major alterations that affect other characters positions (like Frodo at the Ford) are just ridiculous.

Ararax · 03-11-2002, 02:20 PM

watch arwens gonna start talking like mesa nowsa yousa just to put he as one of the most hated charaters ever lol

Nibs · 03-11-2002, 02:22 PM

That would be fine with me, as long as Aragorn slays her instead of marrying her.

Ararax · 03-11-2002, 02:29 PM

02-28-2002, 12:20 PM	#42
Pailan Elven Warrior Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: aisle 12, seat#2 Posts: 449	Well I just read on tolkien online that the scouring of the shire is cut out for sure. I left a more explicit post in the TT Edit thread. I read a while back (before the movie was released ) that the single most moving scene in the entire shoot was the Grey Havens scene. So no Hollywood joy fest. Thankfully. __________________ "Holy Entmoot, Batman!" "Who knows, Robin? This strange mixing of minds may be the greatest single sevice ever performed for humanity! Let's go, but, inconspicuosly, through the window. We'll use our Batropes. Our job is finished." Oh, btw, Frodo lives.

02-28-2002, 08:14 PM	#43
Starr Polish Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Slow down and I sail on the river, slow down and I walk to the hill Posts: 2,389	I haven't gotten to the scouring yet, BUT... I think it will make sense to leave it out. Most movies can only base on one major theme, thus, the destroying of the one ring/Sauron. __________________ “The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.” –Bertrand Russell

02-28-2002, 10:41 PM	#44
Evenstar Elven Warrior Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Neverneverland Posts: 215	I just know that I am going to cry when the last film finishes!!! I have a question. You know how in the appendix they have what happens to the fellowship afterward, like Pippin becoming a Thain and Sam eventually going to the Havens, will they have that in the movie??? I think that showing it will be the only way that I won't be on my knees wailing!!! Those last three words from Sam "Well, I'm back", had me sitting on my bed bawling, thinking, GO TO FRODO!!! __________________ "Frodo, Mr Frodo," he called. "Don't leave me here alone. It's your Sam calling. Don't you go where I can't follow." FRODO LIVES !!!!

02-28-2002, 11:18 PM	#45
Arathorn Bard of Mangled Songs Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: West of Middle Earth...oh alright...Manila Posts: 2,679	I know one way they could ruin it. After Sam says "I'm back.", He stands up and the camera zooms out to show the set, the booms, the lights, and he proceeds to show introduce the rest of the cast including voice actors a la sitcom season ender. PJ then shows up with a copy each of the 3 DVDs trying to make a sales pitch. __________________ Power attracts the corruptible. Absolute power attracts the absolutely corruptible. -Missionaria Protectiva, Frank Herbert *Accio, Ash Nazg!* Elennuru s?la lúmenn' omentielvo* (The Death Star shines on the hour of our meeting) - Darth Arathorn Put aside the ranger... Start looking for Mumakil action figures...

03-01-2002, 11:48 AM	#46
RosieCotton Elven Warrior Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Hobbiton...no wait.... Posts: 263	Yeah, that would sort of turn me off to the end, haha. I really hope they keep Sam's Song in there...I really love that and I would be really ticked off if they cut it out. If they don't keep it, how is Sam going to find Frodo? ~Rosie~ __________________ Fortune rides like the Sun on high With the fox that makes the ravens fly Luck his sould, the lightning his eye He snatches the moons from out of the sky.

02-28-2002, 01:33 AM	#41
mirrille Elven Warrior Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Canada Posts: 479	Faramir can't kill the witch-king though. That totally ruins the whole "can't be killed by a man" thing about the witch-king. It has to be Eowyn. I'd hate it if they cut out too much of her role. I think the ending will have to be bittersweet. You can't have a Hollywood happy happy joy joy ending to this because I think they are going for that "epic" feel. No proper "epic" feel movie can end on a sick-sweet happy happy note and still retain that feel. It would be lame. Although they could soften it, they couldn't sugar-coat it. I don't like omissions as much as I like outright distortions. E.g. I can deal with lifting the scouring of the shire (a clean lift! ) , but I couldn't deal with a scouring that was changed so that the hobbits were rescued by a bunch of elves who happened to be wandering by and it was Sauron instead of Saruman they were trying to chase out or some other weird, inexplicable change.

03-01-2002, 12:09 PM	#48
Arathorn Bard of Mangled Songs Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: West of Middle Earth...oh alright...Manila Posts: 2,679	Wow. LOL, I should've used the happy smiley. I was expecting laughter and I get scorn instead. Take it easy hamster Anyway, now that you've brought up special edition; wouldn't it be cool if they did sindar and quenya audio tracks aside from the director commentaries? __________________ Power attracts the corruptible. Absolute power attracts the absolutely corruptible. -Missionaria Protectiva, Frank Herbert *Accio, Ash Nazg!* Elennuru s?la lúmenn' omentielvo* (The Death Star shines on the hour of our meeting) - Darth Arathorn Put aside the ranger... Start looking for Mumakil action figures... Last edited by Arathorn : 03-01-2002 at 12:32 PM.

03-01-2002, 12:20 PM	#49
Earenya Elven Warrior Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Pinnath Gelin, formerly in Angaron... Posts: 228	I still say its a shame that they're cutting the scouring. I mean, sure, after the destruction of the ring and 3 years for the non readers to wait its definately a cleaner ending. But come on- its part of the point. Its part of what makes it ok for Gandalf/Elves to leave, because the little people, because the mortals, are able to fend for themselves- its an example of what the end of the third age is an end of- the end of 'magic' being needed. __________________ O mor henion i dhu Ely siriar, el sila Ai! Aniron.... Tiro! El eria e mor I 'lir en el luitha 'uren Ai! Aniron... FRODO LIVES!

03-10-2002, 11:17 AM	#51
Khadrane Elf Lord Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Middle Earth (I wish) Posts: 670	They better have the Scouring of the Shire. I would be so ticked off if they make Saruman die on a spikey wheel. I also hope they leave the Dead Marshes in. __________________ Few know whither their road will take them till they come to its end. -Legolas FRODO LIVES! ABORTION IS HOMICIDE

03-10-2002, 11:23 AM	#52
Rosie-Lass Elven Warrior Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: A dizzy state between insanity and sleep! Posts: 173	They're leaving the Dead Marshes in, Elijah Wood said that it was his favourite thing to film. __________________ Yoda Lives!

03-10-2002, 05:23 PM	#53
Ërendil Elven Warrior Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 389	I can't believe that they atre cutting out the Scouring of the Shire! That is one of my favourite parts! And i really don't like Arwen and ill be really mad if she is in it too much! Can someone please e-mail me with answers to these questions? What does Arwen do in the next 2 films? - I mean i have read that she virtually takes over Eowyns part, and acts as a guide to Frodo and Sam. Which parts are being left out and which ones are being modifyed? I know that that sounds like a lot but i need to know. __________________ "You're one of the Abaharaki, oh I had forgotten. Look at me, I am completly drenched! I do hate the rain, it makes me so depressed..." "Hehehehe, moeru moeru!" "That's it, set it all on fire; we're gonna smoke out Escaflowne!" "Oh, I hit the wrong target... never mind that creature was useless to us anyway. Our orders were to get the girl? So he isn't our concern, we don't need him!" ^_^ Isn't Dilandau just fantastic? You just have to love the insane, murderous pyro :-D

03-10-2002, 07:30 PM	#54
Earenya Elven Warrior Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Pinnath Gelin, formerly in Angaron... Posts: 228	A GUIDE to Frodo & Sam? hmm, Im not so sure about that... __________________ O mor henion i dhu Ely siriar, el sila Ai! Aniron.... Tiro! El eria e mor I 'lir en el luitha 'uren Ai! Aniron... FRODO LIVES!

03-10-2002, 08:13 PM	#55
jerseydevil I am Freddie/UNDERCOVER/ Founder of The Great Continent of Entmoot Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Plainsboro, NJ Posts: 9,431	I think you were referring to this post - but I may be wrong - Arwen's role expanded in Two Towers and Return of the King In it I make a sarcastic senario where Arwen is a guide to Frodo and Sam and then takes Eowyn's part. Rest assured these were just sarcastic senarios I made up about how Jackson could expand her role. Jackson completely destoryed the Flight to the Ford scene by making her take over everyone's part - I was just thinking more ways he could do that in TT and RotK. I just wanted to put you at ease - I really don't think Jackson, unless he has a death wish, will be doing the two scenarios I made up. However, Arwen, I feel, will be just as hateable in the next two movies. __________________ Come back! Come back! To Mordor we will take you! "The only thing better than a great plan is implementing a great plan" - JerseyDevil "If everyone agreed with me all the time, everything would be just fine"- JerseyDevil AboutNewJersey.com New Jersey MessageBoard Another Tolkien Forum Memorial to the Twin Towers New Jersey Map Fellowship of the Messageboard Legend of the Jersey Devil Support New Jersey's Liberty Tower Peacefire.org AboutNewJersey.com - New Jersey Travel and Tourism Guide Last edited by jerseydevil : 03-10-2002 at 08:29 PM.

03-11-2002, 02:17 PM	#57
Earenya Elven Warrior Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Pinnath Gelin, formerly in Angaron... Posts: 228	Thank you, jerseydevil. I was indeed concerned... I honestly dont mind expanding her role a bit, but major alterations that affect other characters positions (like Frodo at the Ford) are just ridiculous. __________________ O mor henion i dhu Ely siriar, el sila Ai! Aniron.... Tiro! El eria e mor I 'lir en el luitha 'uren Ai! Aniron... FRODO LIVES!

03-11-2002, 02:20 PM	#58
Ararax Elven Warrior Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: NEW JERSEY! Posts: 375	watch arwens gonna start talking like mesa nowsa yousa just to put he as one of the most hated charaters ever lol __________________ Woah Deep

03-11-2002, 02:22 PM	#59
Nibs Head Hollara Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 751	That would be fine with me, as long as Aragorn slays her instead of marrying her. __________________ "People used to ring up and say 'Don't quit your day job' or 'sell your synth', but the joke's on them: we were fired and the synth is broken!" -John Flansburgh from They Might Be Giants Ever heard of Mormons? I'm one. Click here to know more about us.

03-11-2002, 02:29 PM	#60
Ararax Elven Warrior Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: NEW JERSEY! Posts: 375	lol __________________ Woah Deep

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