If balrogs had wings how could they fall? - Page 3

Keith K · 12-04-2002, 05:14 PM

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Originally posted by Nibs
What if he flapped his arms really REALLY fast?

You may have something there Nibs. He might've put a hurt on Gandalf from the odor such action would generate.

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Elvellon · 12-05-2002, 03:28 PM

Hamlet got it all wrong, to have, or not to have wings, is the “real” question. :

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Blackboar · 12-23-2002, 02:19 PM

If...it can fly I can understand it not flyingin Moria-to confined a space but I don't understand how it fell of a mountain. I t wasn't that injured, it never actually died until it hit the bottom so I would say it can't fly!! Penguins can't fly, Ostrices can't fly so thats my opinion!

Ñólendil · 12-24-2002, 05:19 AM

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but I don't understand how it fell of a mountain. I t wasn't that injured, it never actually died until it hit the bottom so I would say it can't fly!!

How do you know it wasn't that injured? It had been fighting for ten days. Gandalf was evidently so injured, for he died without plummeting to his death. If you shoot a sparrow from it's nest, it will fall and die, whether it has wings, or whether it can fly, or not.

Radagast The Brown · 12-24-2002, 04:25 PM

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originally posted by Blackboar
If...it can fly I can understand it not flyingin Moria-to confined a space but I don't understand how it fell of a mountain. I t wasn't that injured, it never actually died until it hit the bottom so I would say it can't fly!! Penguins can't fly, Ostrices can't fly so thats my opinion!

I supported the theory that this balrog had wings though it wasn't able to use them... as Blackboar said. It is logical... *thinking few minuts* but than, if they had wings, WHY? Maybe because they wanted to look more frightening?

Lefty Scaevola · 12-24-2002, 06:03 PM

The putatvie wings may have heat exchange organs, like the finned dinosaurs had, which were also used for threat and display.

Fair Ranger · 12-30-2002, 01:22 PM

I think the Balrog is like a chicken or a penguin. I mean, a big chicken or a penguin, but one none the less.

I mean, chickens and penguins have wings, but they don't fly. Actually, neither do ostritches!!! Mind you, it would be a lot less scary if it was a giant chicken chasing you instead of the Balrog!

Fair Ranger · 12-30-2002, 01:26 PM

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Originally posted by Ñólendil
How do you know it wasn't that injured? It had been fighting for ten days. Gandalf was evidently so injured, for he died without plummeting to his death. If you shoot a sparrow from it's nest, it will fall and die, whether it has wings, or whether it can fly, or not.

But if you shoot a sparrow from it's nest, it will be dead before it hits the ground, so surely it couldn't fly even if it wanted?

Radagast The Brown · 12-30-2002, 04:07 PM

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originally posted by FR
But if you shoot a sparrow from it's nest, it will be dead before it hits the ground, so surely it couldn't fly even if it wanted?

I think he meant that the sparrow will not die from hitting the ground. He meant that the sparrow will die from the shot.

Ñólendil · 12-30-2002, 09:14 PM

My points is actually that it does not matter when it dies (at impact of arrow, or earth) -- what matters is that any bird will not be saved by its wings after being shot, whether it can fly or not. The argument that The Balrog couldn't have had wings because he fell is thus absurd. The title of this thread if "If the Balrogs had wings, how could he fall?" My answer is "he was mortally wounded and dead tired", wings or not, flight or not, he fell and I don't know why anyone wonders why. Smaug fell and died when Bard shot him, wings, flight, and all, and no one questions that.

12-05-2002, 03:28 PM	#42
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12-30-2002, 09:14 PM	#50
Ñólendil Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: California Posts: 60,865	My points is actually that it does not matter when it dies (at impact of arrow, or earth) -- what matters is that any bird will not be saved by its wings after being shot, whether it can fly or not. The argument that The Balrog couldn't have had wings because he fell is thus absurd. The title of this thread if "If the Balrogs had wings, how could he fall?" My answer is "he was mortally wounded and dead tired", wings or not, flight or not, he fell and I don't know why anyone wonders why. Smaug fell and died when Bard shot him, wings, flight, and all, and no one questions that. __________________ Falmon -- Dylan Last edited by Ñólendil : 12-30-2002 at 09:16 PM.

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12-23-2002, 02:19 PM	#43
Blackboar Legolas's beloved sister and Queen of the Wood Elves of Mirkwood Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Under the hill at Bag-end, Hobbiton the Shire Or Rivendell,I can't remember!!!!!!!!!! Posts: 1,086	If...it can fly I can understand it not flyingin Moria-to confined a space but I don't understand how it fell of a mountain. I t wasn't that injured, it never actually died until it hit the bottom so I would say it can't fly!! Penguins can't fly, Ostrices can't fly so thats my opinion!

12-24-2002, 06:03 PM	#46
Lefty Scaevola AngAdan Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Boerne, Texas Posts: 856	The putatvie wings may have heat exchange organs, like the finned dinosaurs had, which were also used for threat and display.

12-30-2002, 01:22 PM	#47
Fair Ranger Sapling Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: The U.K Posts: 4	I think the Balrog is like a chicken or a penguin. I mean, a big chicken or a penguin, but one none the less. I mean, chickens and penguins have wings, but they don't fly. Actually, neither do ostritches!!! Mind you, it would be a lot less scary if it was a giant chicken chasing you instead of the Balrog!