remorse for bad guys?

[Rían]

Originally Posted by Butterbeer

... i thought you were going to say 'Hobbes' then ...

LOL!

Originally Posted by brownie

I think the biggest problem is that Eru gave Melkor freewill, didn't give him any guidelines on how he wanted it to be used, then got angry when it was used in a way he did not appreciate.

first section - yes ...
second part - Didn't give him any guidelines? An assumption, dear Watson! And they could have always asked, anyway.
third part - well, of course, the question is, is that anger justified? The question is this: what was Melkor's motive? And IMO, his motives are pretty clearly wrong (i.e., tootin' his own horn at the expense of others).

Basically, in creating Melkor, Eru created a being that was too much like himself but was not willing to treat him as such.

But Manwe didn't have the problems that Melkor had, and he was almost the same as Melkor. And a created being can NEVER be higher than his creator; that's not vanity, it's just a simple fact. Eru can't create Melkor and then say, "OK, you're the creator!"

[Rían]

Originally Posted by Arien the Maia

hmmm...maybe....but, it does say that he was sorry for what he did and desired to repent and receive his judgement but he was too ashamed of what he had done so he fled.

I'm rusty on that - where was that again? I need to re-read it. I had always taken it as he was more ashamed and sorry at being caught than at having done it, though.

[Arien the Maia]

Originally Posted by RÃ*an

I'm rusty on that - where was that again? I need to re-read it. I had always taken it as he was more ashamed and sorry at being caught than at having done it, though.

it's in 'Of the Rings of Power and the Third Age'. although I suppose there are many interpretations that can be made in the statements that describe Sauron's repentence.

[Rían]

thanks! I think it might be somewhere in HoME, too - I'll check next week when (hopefully) I have more time!

[Arien the Maia]

Originally Posted by RÃ*an

thanks! I think it might be somewhere in HoME, too - I'll check next week when (hopefully) I have more time!

I looked in Morgoth's ring but couldn't find anything (of course I didn't look too well b/c I'm lazy!) I wish I had the whole set of HoME!