the twenty rings of power

[Gordis]

Originally Posted by jammi567

But doesn'tit say in unfinished tales somewhere that she was fighting with the teleri. at the first kinslying.

I much prefer the Silm story to the later versions found in UT. But even if you go with the UT version, all the other children of Finarfin were guiltless as well. Still, none of them were welcome to Doriath. Only Galadriel sneaked there telling half-truths.
I think Tolkien realized the implications of Galadriel's behaviour as described in the Silm and the first version in UT. He wanted to make her a saint, so he sought to remove her part in the rebellion altogether - "Teleporno" version in UT.

[jammi567]

How could lie to get into Doriath. If she said "Hay, Thingol. 'ow about greetin' your grand-niece and nethews. Let us in, 'cause we're family, and we're inoccent in the kinslain'," she would be allowed in.

[Lady Marion Magdalena]

1) Sauron planned the whole business with the One Ring from the start, and so when he helped those fateful elves, he left himself a kind of ‘back door’ that he could use to ensnare them. 2) A less likely possibility is that once he helped make the Rings, and the Ruling Ring, he did some powerful spell to add the ensnaring part to them. I personally believe 1).

I think it was likely more a combination of both. We may not know precisely how the 19 rings were made, but considering that the One's power derived from the part of Sauron's being that he had placed in it and that there is signifigance placed on who had part in the making of the other rings in correlation to how corruptable they were I would guess that the seven and the nine rings were made powerful by the individual elves who made them placing parts of themselves (and thus their power) inside those rings.

If that is the case then each ring's specific powers and functions would likely vary according to the materials used, the personality and power of the maker.

I think it doubtful that Sauron stood over each elf's shoulder and actively participated in the making of any of the rings. It's more believable that when he taught the elves how to make the rings of power he would have left something out that left the rings vulnerable to being ensnared by a spell fueled by the One once he had made it.

A possible reason that the elves didn't destory the rings, but chose to hide them is that they may have intended to later 'edit' their works by withdrawing the power they had placed in them, cleansing them of Sauron's influence and then making them powerful again and better shielded. Except that they didn't plan on being killed off in the fall of Eregion and having their works captured.

[jammi567]

Yeah.....it's almost like "i'll show you how to make one"*shows them*"ok, off you go. i'll help you as needed."

[Noble Elf Lord]

Here I´m answering to jammi567´s essay abut the Rings of power. Now, I won´t argue about the origins of the Rings, for it must have been a year or so when I last read the Silmarillion properly. But, the seven did not have the corrupting power of the nine, but a horrible curse: the dwarves would gain wondrous treasures, but they were cursed to lose them either into dragons flames or orcs. A dwarven-nightmare-come-true, eh? And they didn´t make people invisible. The only reason why the One made people invisible was that it showed what will eventually happen to the bearer: he/she will pass into the Shadowworld (Aragorn:"He is passing into the Shadowworld. He will soon become a wraith like them."). Neither did the nine do invisibility. To answer this question of yours about how Sauron gained ctrl over the 7 and 9, didn´t you know that he indeed helped the elves make those rings? They could never have done them on their own, but then again, nor could Sauron have (apart from the One). Then, why didn´t they (the elves) destroy the 3? Perhaps they thought that, even if they were destroyed, Sauron still had his own, and since he had never touched the three, what´s the point to destroy them? By the way, I hope this is good english enough, for I´m from Finland.

[Landroval]

But, the seven did not have the corrupting power of the nine, but a horrible curse: the dwarves would gain wondrous treasures, but they were cursed to lose them either into dragons flames or orcs. A dwarven-nightmare-come-true, eh? And they didn´t make people invisible.

I don't think there is any referrence to back the two bolded suppositions - unless we stretch Sauron's evil power to act as a curse.

Neither did the nine do invisibility.

I disagree; Tolkien stated the following concerning the original nine kings and the powers they got from using the rings:

Originally Posted by Of the rings of power and the third age, Silmarillion

They could walk, if they would, unseen by all eyes in this world beneath the sun, and they could see things in worlds invisible to mortal men; but too often they beheld only the phantoms and delusions of Sauron.

They could never have done them on their own, but then again, nor could Sauron have (apart from the One).

Again, I am not aware of any referrence that could back these two claims.

Then, why didn´t they (the elves) destroy the 3?

From Unfinished Tales:

Originally Posted by Concerning Galadriel and Celeborn

They should have destroyed all the Rings of Power at this time, "but they failed to find the strength."

[Noble Elf Lord]

They COULD walk. But the 9 did not automatically make them invisible. And why Sauron could not curse the 7?

[jammi567]

As Landroval said above, the nine and the seven were the same. But the dwarves were uneffected by the curruptive power of the seven, so it worked in other ways. But it's definatly not a curse.

[captain carrot]

as i understand it all the rings, and certainly the sets of rings were different.

You are right to say that the dwarves as a race were by far less influenced or susceptible to the influence of the seven than mortal man were to the nine.

It's an interesting idea, the idea the rings may have had a curse. certainly sounds like sauron.

Dwarves as a race have greeed in their hearts, even the more noble ones. It hardly needed a ring to awaken those desires.

[Landroval]

They COULD walk.

?

But the 9 did not automatically make them invisible.

Why would you say that? Is there anything that contradicts the quote I gave from the Sil? Or is there anything that backs your idea?

And why Sauron could not curse the 7?

I didn't say he couldn't. My argument is that his power was at work through the rings - be it the "passive" power of corruption, or an influence he directed willingly on the ring-bearers. That he cursed them I found no evidence of.

You are right to say that the dwarves as a race were by far less influenced or susceptible to the influence of the seven than mortal man were to the nine.

Yes, resistance to certain evils is what they were created with in mind:

Originally Posted by Of Aule and Yavanna, Silmarillion

And Aule made the Dwarves even as they still are, because the forms of the Children who were to come were unclear to his mind, and because the power of Melkor was yet over the Earth; and he wished therefore that they should be strong and unyielding.

Dwarves as a race have greeed in their hearts, even the more noble ones. It hardly needed a ring to awaken those desires.

Indeed, even their name derives from (or at least related to) avarice:

Originally Posted by Appendix A, Names in the Lost Tales, HoME I

Nauglath GL gives the following words: naug and naugli 'dwarf, naugla 'of the dwarves', nauglafel 'dwarf-natured, i.e. 'mean, avaricious'

[Noble Elf Lord]

Let´s say it was a passive curse shall we?