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Old 09-28-2005, 01:14 PM   #41
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I rather like Arianna Huffington, but I don't know a whole lot about her political agenda, plus I think she was born in another country. Unfortunately, most of the women in politics that I can think of, today, leave much to be desired - but then again, so do most of the men. I don't mind Hilary Clinton as much as I think Condoleeza Rice is a mendacious and unfortunate puppet. Ah, well - whadda ya gonna do?
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Old 09-28-2005, 01:16 PM   #42
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Yeah, me too. Didn't she write a book about her time with "W"
I think it had ....seconds to normal....in the title.
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Old 09-28-2005, 01:17 PM   #43
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I don't mind Hilary Clinton as much as I think Condoleeza Rice is a mendacious and unfortunate puppet. Ah, well - whadda ya gonna do?
I would be interested in hearing why you think Rice is a puppet.
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Old 09-28-2005, 01:30 PM   #44
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I don't like Hilary because it seems like -everything- that goes wrong in her life she tries to turn into publicity, and she just seems more interested in getting power for herself.

She sees that the anti-video game bandwagon has some punch behind it? She jumps on to become a Supporter of Parents. I agree that some video games are too violent, but that is -entirely- the fault of the parents who allow their children to play those games. It's not the fault of the video game industry.

On top of that, when I see her making public addresses, she seems like she's... I don't know. Trying to be nice and friendly, but inside she isn't. Something like that... It's a little hard to put into words. I understand: maybe she's just not good at public speaking, but she still makes me feel uncomfortable every time she opens her mouth.
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Old 09-28-2005, 01:36 PM   #45
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On top of that, when I see her making public addresses, she seems like she's... I don't know. Trying to be nice and friendly, but inside she isn't. Something like that... It's a little hard to put into words. I understand: maybe she's just not good at public speaking, but she still makes me feel uncomfortable every time she opens her mouth.
That's true, huh! Like she's "faking it," or something. False emotionality sux.

SGH - The thing about Rice, I just do not like her, and I haven't got the time at this moment to break it down but I will later on this afternoon, I have GOT to log off here and get started with my RL day. busy day today...
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Old 09-28-2005, 02:45 PM   #46
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She's no good at non-scripted appearances and IMO that's why she appears so insincere....she is
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Old 09-28-2005, 02:59 PM   #47
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i think there is an essential misconception here that any politicians are actually sincere
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Old 09-28-2005, 03:11 PM   #48
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i think there is an essential misconception here that any politicians are actually sincere
lost my belief in politicians around 1972...

[Nixon]I am not a crook![/Nixon]

but he was sincere, no? he truly did believe what he was [expletive deleted] saying....

:rofl:

I don't think Hilary is any more or less sincere than Condi, or Dubya, or any of them. They will and do say whatever they feel is necessary to maintain their position, to win the election, to gain points in the polls, etc etc etc....

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Old 09-28-2005, 03:17 PM   #49
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I guess I'm still an optimistic young'un then... I trust Helen Clark (NZ PM). ::shrug:: Then again, I guess I have worked with her from time to time in my job, so I might be somewhat biased.
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Old 09-28-2005, 03:20 PM   #50
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less hung up on principles from my personal experience (a plus in my mind)
and thats a good thing???
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I rather like Arianna Huffington, but I don't know a whole lot about her political agenda, plus I think she was born in another country. Unfortunately, most of the women in politics that I can think of, today, leave much to be desired - but then again, so do most of the men. I don't mind Hilary Clinton as much as I think Condoleeza Rice is a mendacious and unfortunate puppet. Ah, well - whadda ya gonna do?
O, Lotesse, you wouldn't be objecting to Ms. Rice's being black or a woman, just to her being Republican?

Wonderful the way equality works ... ignore the successful, responsible, powerful woman ... just hate all Republicans equally.

Got it!
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lost my belief in politicians around 1972...

[Nixon]I am not a crook![/Nixon]

but he was sincere, no? he truly did believe what he was [expletive deleted] saying....

:rofl:

I don't think Hilary is any more or less sincere than Condi, or Dubya, or any of them. They will and do say whatever they feel is necessary to maintain their position, to win the election, to gain points in the polls, etc etc etc....

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Interesting that Ms Rice wasn't elected but appointed by a Republican.

So we have now identified the original sin in this picture: wrong political party for HE.
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and thats a good thing???
Only for BJ and those accustomed to his *ahem* enlightened "principles"!

Try ANIMAL FARM for a preview of the value of 'elasticity" of principles concept: all animals are equal BUT some animals are MORE EQUAL than others.
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Hey look. We made a pure politics thread. Quick nobody move. These things tend to be very fragile here.
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erm, could someone point out where in this particular thread I said anything against Condi? I believe I've called the Dems "Republican Lite," and questioned the sincerity of all politicians....

as for Condi being appointed, yes, yes she was... so? she was also a Democrat until she switched parties in 1982... neither of which has anything to do with my thus far unstated opinion of her

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O, Lotesse, you wouldn't be objecting to Ms. Rice's being black or a woman, just to her being Republican?

Wonderful the way equality works ... ignore the successful, responsible, powerful woman ... just hate all Republicans equally.

Got it!
Are you suggesting I am racist, or something? 'Cause it sure sounds like you are.
'Ignore the successful, responsible, powerful woman?' What about Arianna Huffington - do you read what others post here, or just seek out opportunities to jump up and down on them as an afternoon pastime?
Oh - and 4 your information, inked, this may come as an enormous SHOCKER to you, but I have been registered as a Republican since I first started to vote at 18. Almost every time I've voted in any primary election, I've voted a straight republican ticket - the only exception was Clinton, in '92. My step-father has been a House Representative for most of my life, so I grew up with a pretty exhaustive political education.
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Only for BJ and those accustomed to his *ahem* enlightened "principles"!

Try ANIMAL FARM for a preview of the value of 'elasticity" of principles concept: all animals are equal BUT some animals are MORE EQUAL than others.
animal farm actually depicts are society quite well... some people are more equal than others

on the "principles" thing... people idealize political movements (on both sides) and rarely look at the details of what these parties actually enact

economically, neither party is very realistic... socially, i side with the democrats on most issues
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I don't - or haven't for quite a while - even vote anymore, not in primaries anyway. Both major political parties in this country are equally rife with deception, mendacity, ugliness, and rottenness at the core. Politics are disgusting.
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Condoleeza Rice and her misleading, possibly intentionally mendacious statements...
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if politics are so nassty preciouss, WHY DID THEY SHUT DOWN THE EDDIE CHAMPAIGN THE SITH WILL HAVE THEIR REVENGE and back on topic the new switchfoot song called "politicians" if you don't have a hatred for that particular group ya'll should listen to that song it really sums up the whole political problem
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