Worst Cut in the movies - Page 3

Telcontar_Dunedain · 09-18-2004, 02:18 AM

I've seen a picture of what he would look like for the card game and he didn't do justice to Tom Bombadil. He was more like a Wild Man of Dunland.

thranduil · 09-18-2004, 02:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Telcontar_Dunedain

I think they portrayed him quite well but they should have included the Palantir to show why he was like that and more on Boromir's death. I think they could have had another flashback scene to show why Boromir was so dear to him.

yea i was being sarcastic. Yeah he looked perfect but just needed some depth and reasoning behind it all.

Halbarad of the Dunedain · 09-18-2004, 03:29 AM

Good point Thranduil, though it leads me to an interesting question;

Who do you guys think would be good to cast as the "left out" roles!?

Radagast the Brown?
Tom Bombadil?
Goldberry?
Halbarad?
The Sons of Elrond?
" ?
Prince Imrahil?

Any others you can think of?

Telcontar_Dunedain · 09-18-2004, 03:31 AM

Ghan-Buri-Ghan won't be in RotK

thranduil · 09-18-2004, 03:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Halbarad of the Dunedain

Good point Thranduil, though it leads me to an interesting question;

Who do you guys think would be good to cast as the "left out" roles!?

Radagast the Brown?
Tom Bombadil?
Goldberry?
Halbarad?
The Sons of Elrond?
" ?
Prince Imrahil?

Any others you can think of?

no one could play bombadil without totally slaughtering his image and charachter.

The Gaffer · 09-20-2004, 08:08 AM

Brian Blessed could.

**Nurvingiel** · 09-20-2004, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Halbarad of the Dunedain

Who do you guys think would be good to cast as the "left out" roles!?

Don't forget Glorfindel, for obvious reasons. And while we're naming elves that were cut, how about Gildor? (Even though his part being cut wasn't nearly as damaging.) I'm all for choosing talented obscure actors and giving them a chance. (Plus, this means they're not type cast.

)

Hey Gaffer (it seems like I'm following you around but we're just on at the same time... I swear!)!

From reading the short bio it seems like Brian Blessed would have made a great Tom Bombadil! He even has the right 'look', from what I imagined. (Especially the bottom single picture.) And we'd need a good singer, that's for sure.

*wanders off singing "and white owl's feather"*

Telcontar_Dunedain · 09-20-2004, 12:32 PM

The Gaffer and Fatty Bolger should have been in FotR and Quickbeam in TT

The Gaffer · 09-23-2004, 07:26 AM

I was; I was in the Green Dragon getting bought a pint by Frodo. But they should have given me more lines

sun-star · 09-23-2004, 07:41 AM

Maybe Brian Blessed should have played you, Gaffer

**Nurvingiel** · 09-23-2004, 01:22 PM

I also think Frodo rushing forward with a cry of "The Shire!" to stab the cave troll in the foot at the battle of Balin's Tomb was a great loss.

Worst cut in the movies: All the scenes which showed what a brave and resolute hobbit Frodo was. Especially is defiance of the Nazgul, alone at the Flight to the Ford. That was definitely the worst cut in the movies.

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Originally Posted by The Gaffer

I was; I was in the Green Dragon getting bought a pint by Frodo. But they should have given me more lines

You were seriously in the movie!? No way, you're pulling our collective leg.

The Nameless One · 10-03-2004, 04:38 PM

Yeah Frodo seemed like a wimp in the movies. Everyone was always saving him and he was awlays ending up hurt. I was hoping he would be a much braver hobbit. I wish the Ghan Buri Ghan scene wasn't cut. And I miss the Dunadain, Imrahil of Dol Amroth,and Beregond. I would have been so cool to see them.

Telcontar_Dunedain · 10-04-2004, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Nurvingiel

I also think Frodo rushing forward with a cry of "The Shire!" to stab the cave troll in the foot at the battle of Balin's Tomb was a great loss.

And Pippin killing the Troll at the Black Gate. The Black Gate looked more like an attack than a defence in the movies.

**Nurvingiel** · 10-04-2004, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Telcontar_Dunedain

And Pippin killing the Troll at the Black Gate. The Black Gate looked more like an attack than a defence in the movies.

This was also important to Pippin's character as he went to the Gate feeling like he had only been a burden on the journey. Frodo and Sam were in Mordor, and Merry and helped kill the Witch-King. Killing the troll was redeeming for him. He felt he would never equal Merry, but he hoped to do something worthwhile. He said something like that in the Houses of Healing, IIRC.

***Rían*** · 10-04-2004, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Nurvingiel

I also think Frodo rushing forward with a cry of "The Shire!" to stab the cave troll in the foot at the battle of Balin's Tomb was a great loss.

Worst cut in the movies: All the scenes which showed what a brave and resolute hobbit Frodo was. Especially is defiance of the Nazgul, alone at the Flight to the Ford. That was definitely the worst cut in the movies.

I agree!

Entlover · 10-07-2004, 01:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Haradrim

but once again it doesnt really help the story along I mean i was cool but not entirely useful.

I think we're missing scenes not because they would have contributed to the plot, but because they added something essential to Middle Earth. We love LotR not for the plot, the characters, or the allegory, but for the world of ME itself, and any distinctive part left out, like Corsairs or Ghan-buri-ghan, is sorely missed.

Halbarad of the Dunedain · 10-07-2004, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Entlover

I think we're missing scenes not because they would have contributed to the plot, but because they added something essential to Middle Earth. We love LotR not for the plot, the characters, or the allegory, but for the world of ME itself, and any distinctive part left out, like Corsairs or Ghan-buri-ghan, is sorely missed.

Tolkien clearly says mutliple times His books are in no way a form of Allegory.

Wayfarer · 10-12-2004, 01:21 PM

Which would certainly explain why we don't love LOTR for the allegory.

matthew · 10-13-2004, 02:10 PM

I'd say the scouring of the shire, along with all the pieces about Saruman in there. PJ left a lot of stuff uneplained. And that whole thing about Arwen's fate being tied to the ring? What WAS that? That was like 15 minutes that could have showed the scouring of the Shire.

Manveru · 11-25-2004, 11:35 PM

i can see why they cut the scouring, but the worst cut for me is the witch king taunting gandalf and then the rohirrim showing up, that and not have sons of elrond and the rangers joining the fight. The sons of elrond could have said his lines and halbarad couldve had a cool death scene.
also imrahil, beregond, and ghan-buri-ghan were missed

09-18-2004, 02:18 AM	#41
Telcontar_Dunedain Warrior of the House of Hador Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 4,651	I've seen a picture of what he would look like for the card game and he didn't do justice to Tom Bombadil. He was more like a Wild Man of Dunland. __________________ Then Huor spoke and said: "Yet if it stands but a little while, then out of your house shall come the hope of Elves and Men. This I say to you, lord, with the eyes of death: though we part here for ever, and I shall not look on your white walls again, from you and me a new star shall arise. Farewell!" The Silmarillion, Nirnaeth Arnoediad, Page 230

09-18-2004, 03:29 AM	#43
Halbarad of the Dunedain Elven Warrior Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Arthedian Posts: 460	Good point Thranduil, though it leads me to an interesting question; Who do you guys think would be good to cast as the "left out" roles!? Radagast the Brown? Tom Bombadil? Goldberry? Halbarad? The Sons of Elrond? " ? Prince Imrahil? Any others you can think of? __________________ "Can you feel her, running through your veins? She will always live forever!" ~ Atreyu [Her portrait in Black] "I want to see pretty people doing ugly things..." ~ Unknown "Damn it n' such!" ~ Stewie Griffen

09-18-2004, 03:31 AM	#44
Telcontar_Dunedain Warrior of the House of Hador Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 4,651	Ghan-Buri-Ghan won't be in RotK __________________ Then Huor spoke and said: "Yet if it stands but a little while, then out of your house shall come the hope of Elves and Men. This I say to you, lord, with the eyes of death: though we part here for ever, and I shall not look on your white walls again, from you and me a new star shall arise. Farewell!" The Silmarillion, Nirnaeth Arnoediad, Page 230

09-20-2004, 12:32 PM	#48
Telcontar_Dunedain Warrior of the House of Hador Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 4,651	The Gaffer and Fatty Bolger should have been in FotR and Quickbeam in TT __________________ Then Huor spoke and said: "Yet if it stands but a little while, then out of your house shall come the hope of Elves and Men. This I say to you, lord, with the eyes of death: though we part here for ever, and I shall not look on your white walls again, from you and me a new star shall arise. Farewell!" The Silmarillion, Nirnaeth Arnoediad, Page 230

09-23-2004, 07:41 AM	#50
sun-star Lady of Letters Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Either Oxford or Kent, England Posts: 2,476	Maybe Brian Blessed should have played you, Gaffer __________________ And all the time the waves, the waves, the waves Chase, intersect and flatten on the sand As they have done for centuries, as they will For centuries to come, when not a soul Is left to picnic on the blazing rocks, When England is not England, when mankind Has blown himself to pieces. Still the sea, Consolingly disastrous, will return While the strange starfish, hugely magnified, Waits in the jewelled basin of a pool.

09-20-2004, 08:08 AM	#46
The Gaffer Elf Lord Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: In me taters Posts: 3,288	Brian Blessed could.

09-23-2004, 07:26 AM	#49
The Gaffer Elf Lord Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: In me taters Posts: 3,288	I was; I was in the Green Dragon getting bought a pint by Frodo. But they should have given me more lines

10-03-2004, 04:38 PM	#52
The Nameless One Hobbit Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: P-Town(Pomona,CA) SoCal baby! Posts: 32	Yeah Frodo seemed like a wimp in the movies. Everyone was always saving him and he was awlays ending up hurt. I was hoping he would be a much braver hobbit. I wish the Ghan Buri Ghan scene wasn't cut. And I miss the Dunadain, Imrahil of Dol Amroth,and Beregond. I would have been so cool to see them.

10-12-2004, 01:21 PM	#58
Wayfarer The Insufferable Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 3,333	Which would certainly explain why we don't love LOTR for the allegory. __________________ Disgraced he may be, yet is not dethroned, and keeps the rags of lordship once he owned

10-13-2004, 02:10 PM	#59
matthew Enting Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 75	I'd say the scouring of the shire, along with all the pieces about Saruman in there. PJ left a lot of stuff uneplained. And that whole thing about Arwen's fate being tied to the ring? What WAS that? That was like 15 minutes that could have showed the scouring of the Shire. __________________ Nai anar caluva tierelyanna Flame me. Go ahead. Matthew in 2028. One by one we're bringing them back. Vote Nader. Stop the hamster eaters!!!! End global warming! Turn on the AC!!! Gadzooks! Run!

11-25-2004, 11:35 PM	#60
Manveru Elven Warrior Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 256	i can see why they cut the scouring, but the worst cut for me is the witch king taunting gandalf and then the rohirrim showing up, that and not have sons of elrond and the rangers joining the fight. The sons of elrond could have said his lines and halbarad couldve had a cool death scene. also imrahil, beregond, and ghan-buri-ghan were missed

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