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Yours were tortured. Yay. So were theirs (the Iraqis). What is it exactly that makes your blood any better... Something about two wrongs....springs to mind.....
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Its a terrible problem, the middle east. Just like the Balkans and Kashmir. There arn't real answers.
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Rtb, I wasn't saying that you hate Palestine. I dont really know you, so I dont know what you feel.
I do know that your country and palestine have been fighting for ages, with no end in sight. Thats a nother matter, and one upon which I am sure you shall know more that I. The point is forgiveness. You say it yourself, there can be no forgiveness. Its the same in Northern Ireland. Theres so much to hate the enemy for, you cannot comprehend forgiveness until you have won. If you win.
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But humans are resilient if not too stubborn for their own good. This conflict will fade with time. And another will replace it eventually. Its how things work with us.
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I tried to post this yesterday, but was kicked off. <------
A general philosophical point on the nature of forgiveness: It is my belief that it is only the individual involved that can offer forgiveness. Thus, the Iraqi people have no right to offer their forgiveness, it is the abused themselves that would do that, and the chief mourners of those who were killed. A spokesman for the US government can offer an apology to the Iraqi government regarding the abuse, since the government bears responsibility being in charge of those who were running the prison. A spokesman for the Iraqi government can say we as a government forgive you for your failure of leadership in this particular instance, since at this point the US is in charge of the prison. But this vague "Iraqis forgive US" is too general. The citizens on both sides aren't in a position to apologize or forgive, IMO. It's the individuals who did it that need to ask forgiveness, and the individuals who were victimized that may forgive. Otherwise, the words are a hollow formality. |
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Kinda makes you almost think this thread was just a device to allow continuation of the previously closed thread, huh? almost...
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Here is a sample of the English History Books I have... The Princes in the Tower Richard the Thrid The Hundred Years War The Wars of the Roses Richard III and the Princes in the Tower The Autobiography of Henry VIII Elizabeth I Henry II The Conquering Family The Magnificent Century The Three Edwards The Last Plantagenents I'm wondering - how many books on American history do you have? How much have you studied American History. You might want to think before you accuse someone of hating you. Especially since I never said the "damn British" BTW - I just did a search for the phrase "damn british" with my name and in the whole history of Entmoot it came up with only ONE thread beside this one - "Constitution Day". The thread was in celebration of Norway's Constitution Day and I only said it jokingly because Norway was once controlled by Sweden. Hardly the "all his "damn British" posts on July 4th" you seem to think. Here.... Quote:
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As for your comment indicating that the Allies were just as much in the wrong in going to war against the Axis powers - I suppose the execution of millions of innocent people, the destruction and bombing of NUMEROUS countries by Japan and Germany was just fine with you - as long as we didn't get involved. Sometimes war is necessary - it would be nice if it wasn't - but sometimes it is. To believe otherwise is very naive and wishful thinking.
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