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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç Ã¥ â„¢ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç Ã¥ â„¢ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
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07-12-2004, 06:40 PM | #44 | |
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç Ã¥ â„¢ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
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07-12-2004, 06:56 PM | #45 | |
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on the swords - I like the comment in ROTK about the sword that Merry had -
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Also, Frodo struck at the Witch-king's feet and evidently hurt him (a "shrill cry" rang out) and that might have made the Witch King's blade go just a bit off - he was aiming for Frodo's heart, IIRC, and maybe didn't get it in as far as he intended. That's why Frodo was able to make it to Rivendell - perhaps it bought him a few days.
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç Ã¥ â„¢ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! Last edited by RÃan : 07-12-2004 at 06:59 PM. |
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07-13-2004, 11:08 AM | #46 |
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Coupla things about TB that are within the realm of this story:
1. I found it interesting how he KNEW what the hobbits had dreamed about - yet chided them for it - which indicates to me that he didn't send those dreams to them. ALSO - how he knew when they had woken up at night - and how the things said to them before they went to bed came back to calm them when they woke up in the middle of the night (like a night wind or starlight coming in - as Goldberry had said those were the only things that could pass the windows of that house). Interesting presentience all around (if that's the right word). 2. I find it amusing what Tom says when he decides to ride out with the hobbits after rescuing them from the barrow. It's like they keep getting into so much trouble, that it'll be less effort for him to just see them safely off his land, than to continue rescuing them from every old willow or barrow wight!
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07-13-2004, 01:09 PM | #47 | |
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Tom's house is definitely another place. At the risk of repeating myself from the last discussion, that last line in Chapter 5, when they arrive at the house, is a really strong suggestion that they're out of the normal temporal world:
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07-13-2004, 06:54 PM | #48 |
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I like how Tom and Goldberry are very different, yet compliment each other so well.
Val - yes, interesting how Tom knows their dreams, and told them in advance to not worry, and then chided them for worrying! And your #2 point - yes, that's like me with cleaning up with the kids sometimes - I know I should train them, but sometimes it's just SO much easier to do it myself! and about 10 times faster!
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç Ã¥ â„¢ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
07-13-2004, 10:33 PM | #49 |
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[I just had to point out something: someone asked earlier if Tom could be Manwe and Goldberry Yavanna; however, Yavanna was AULE's wife! Unless there was some hanky panky going on!]
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07-14-2004, 03:43 AM | #50 | ||
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Re: The Lord of the Rings Discussion : Chpts 7 and 8
Wonderful intro RÃ*an! Tried to answer some of your questions here, but I haven't read the posts in this thread, so I may repeat what others have said already.
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07-14-2004, 10:48 PM | #52 | |
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç Ã¥ â„¢ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
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07-15-2004, 08:49 PM | #53 |
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I'm off for the weekend for a romatic (read: kid-less!) get-away with my husband (all praise to my parents for watching the kiddos, may the hair on their toes - er, heads never fall out!) I'll check in on the thread on Monday. I'd be esp. interested in hearing more on the shared characteristics of the various evil creatures we've seen so far, and perhaps more on the temptation theme we'll see more of later on (I'm assuming flash-aheads are OK here) - who is tempted, and how, and how they deal with it.
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç Ã¥ â„¢ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
07-16-2004, 03:05 AM | #54 |
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Ok, here's a comparison between Old man Willow and the Wight:
Both of them use some sort of spell to hypnotize the hobbits. OMW's purpose seems to be physical, namely killing the hobbits. The Wight, on the other hand had a more "ethereal" purpose (if that's the right word), which is to posess the hobbit's souls or something similar. A little bit off-point: The Wight uses an incantation to entrance the hobbits: again we see the theme of the strength of the word in Arda; there words seem to have a physical existence of their own and can be used to various ends as is obvious in all of Tolkien's work. An interesting similar feature that unites all of Tolkien's villains is their use of deception and/or temptation. This occured in the cases of OMW and the Wight and we'll see it later with "the voice of Saruman" and Sauron's deception of Denethor and his whisperings in the ears of the Numenoreans and the Elves of Eregion. This is characteristic of the concept of evil in Christianity (and perhaps many other religions): evil often comes down on you disguised and tries to play on your weaknesses or desires to achieve its end... Hope that's enough P.S. happy weekend, Rian |
07-16-2004, 04:51 AM | #55 |
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I don't know that either of these characters offered any overt temptation. It was more like they trapped the unwary hobbits using their powers, which I agree, seem to be based around song. A bit like Leonard Cohen.
One difference is how Tom treats them: he seems to have respect for Old Man Willow (at least he respects his right to exist, and doesn't dig him up) whereas the wight is despatched post haste. Tolkien offers lots of different conceptions of baddies. Smaug was a complex and intelligent character whose vanity was his downfall; Sauron is a cipher of unmitigated nastiness. Saruman, of course, has fallen from grace as a result of getting too absorbed in studying the arts of badness. A bit lower down the pecking order, it seems that bad characters always wear black hats. The squinty-eyed southerner springs to mind here. Yet, Sam says that he'd expect a servant of the enemy to "seem fair yet feel foul", at which Aragorn takes the hump. Have a grand, well deserved, weekend, Rian. |
07-17-2004, 11:39 PM | #56 |
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I'm going to attempt to post a link to a web site that has a file that I scanned. This shows part of a map that details the hobbits journey from Hobbiton. Well, here goes......
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07-17-2004, 11:42 PM | #57 |
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Well, that didn't work! I will have to try something else!!
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07-18-2004, 12:08 AM | #58 |
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I'm going to try again. If the picture doesn't come up, then I have also provided the web link until I can solve the problem. Here I go again.....
http://www.cyberinter.net/cyberpix/lotrmap.html Thanks to Khamûl and Linaewen for their help in attempting to solve this problem.
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07-18-2004, 12:15 AM | #59 |
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Well, the web link worked but the image link did not.
I really wanted the image to come in without having to click on a link, however, I will keep working on it. The map is part of a series of maps that plots the journey of all the members of the Fellowship from Hobbiton to their journey's end. I wanted to scan and post the maps into the appropriate pages of the discussion project so we all have a visual image!! The book is "The Atlas of Middle Earth" by Karen Wynn Fonstad, published in 1981. She is a cartographer whose interest in Tolkien inspired her to publish this book. I hope you find the maps useful!
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07-18-2004, 07:41 AM | #60 |
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Yay!!! Great job Elenor! Thank you very much!
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