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Bah, not this again.
There are many differing arguements on what constitutes a continent, and we can all buy into the one we like, which is great. It's all arbitrary anyways, huh? *is now a big proponent of the five-continent argument
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08-15-2004, 06:10 PM | #42 |
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Damn that new rolly eyes smily is cute.
<----- *is gonna give the next person who uses a noogie
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Plus it was made by a Frenchman, of course it didn't recognise the USA...
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In geography i was told that there are
Australasia asia europe north america south america antarctica africa Is that wrong? mind you, that was five years ago at least. I really didn''t know that the olympic symbol had anything to do with continent number. you learn something new everyday. But the USA and North America are completely different. it's like saying that canada is part of the US, isn't it? i'm just asking, cos i don't know.
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The list of the SEVEN continents is not exaustive, nor is it meant to be. It is a general way of defining the various areas of the world, with essential regard given to common sense and to a lesser degree ethnic backrounds, so as to allow for simpler discussion and navigation. Of course there are many, many countries that do not fall within the bounds of the defined seven continents. If you want to know where they are, get an atlas. The list of seven is not meant to cover every little island on the planet, and it is silly to think it is. It is recanted in alphabetical order, so as to avoid any unpleasant jossling for position by some of the more, shall we say, insecure areas of the world. It reads: Africa, Antarctica, Asia, Australia, Europe, North America, South America. And it was those lovable Americans (US) that insisted on the north and south of the new world being seperated. It had largley to do with social and political stresses at the time, and the Norths desire to be regarded as part of the "west", and not counted as one of those spaniards beneath (pun, or was it?) them. Yep, good to be back.
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I agree. For one, Asia, as it includes Russia, is the biggest continent over Africa, causing many an unwary gamer to get that question wrong on trivia quizes. Europe is doing the same thing as the North Americans, by seperating itself from Asia. It is, among other things, to do with imperialistic ideals and a sort of zenophobic racism. The whole world map is afflicted by this, this hang over from the imperialist era. Europe and the US/Canada are drawn larger along with greenland, with south America and Africa being drawn considerably smaller than actual size. This is fact, and here is a good site with the proposed "Peters Projection" world map, a map that aleviates these imperialist mistakes. http://www.odt.org/FreePeters.htm If you compare it to some of the current maps in the world, it'll blow your mind.
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I know you can say North America, Africa and "Australasia", but you cant easily include them anywhere. The Seven Continent system was invented before some of the islands your are refering to where even discovered. It was not intended to be an atlas. Thats what atlases are for.
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The Peters is still distorted, though; rather than the distortion becoming more marked closer to the poles, it's more pronounced closer to the equator. Distortions aside, it is a much better map projection for determining the relative sizes of land mases. And always remember: maps are like statistics--you can make them prove any point you want, for better or for worse.
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Yep, what zinnite says is true. It's all a matter of *what* is being represented on the map, that justifies the projection.
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This site gives a clear indication of what is, is.
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Or that it depends who you are or where you're from.
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If one lumps the Americas together, it seems like you'd have as much cause to consider Europe, Asia and Africa as all one continent. Then we could have a two continent system - and Australia and Antarctica join Greenland, etc as 'big islands'.
But at this point, the whole concept of "continents" pretty much loses its meaning... doesn't it?
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Yeah, I loved that place. Hope you took a photo...I've one that shows the crack which is quite clear when you're on site, showing the two plates. It's weird.
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[QUOTE=zinnite]Spatial distortions on maps are not mistakes. All maps have distortion--
Ahhhh, T ime A nd R elative Demensions I n S pace. Sounds familiar.
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Why not upload one (without your smiling face) so we can see the plates.
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