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Incharge: neighbourhood security
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this is all too funny.
but really marying one's own grand-grand mother is quite a nasty thought. But then I wudnt mind marying Arwen ne day. |
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After hitting his own link somewhat tentatively...
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You know, this thread is a bit silly. Aragorn and Arwen are separated by thousands of years and many, many ancestors (on Aragorns side). Incest means (from the online dictionary): sexual intercourse between persons so closely related that they are forbidden by law to marry.
Now, what about Turin and Nienor? ![]()
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Ach, a tragic tale indeed.
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Wonder wht Tolkien was thinking, when he made this tale about these two.
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Marshal of the Eastmark
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What was he thinking? hmmm.. they both have talismans linking them to Beren and Luthien, so maybe he was letting the romance he imagined in the trenches 30 years earlier have a new life in a new couple.
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The Insufferable
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Actually there is something like a 1:72 chance that any two elves will be related, since they come from the same original population.
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Marshal of the Eastmark
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But the chances are even closer for half-elves and the descendants of half-elves who chose mortality.
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would there have been many elves left in M-e that would want or ackknowledge a king?? or was that just purely a title for Eldarion
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The Insufferable
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Well, the wood elves had a king.
However, elves hadn't had a high king since Gil-Galad in the second age.
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The Redneck Elf
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Elves are perfect.
they have no bad genes how could there be genetic problems? ![]()
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well aragorn is human and arwen is an elf so to my knowledge they arent related.
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The Insufferable
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Can I HIT him? Just this once?
*/holds big wizard staff at ready.
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No! It hurt when you staff-bapped me over in the Hobbit forum! *rubs head in rememberance*
Just kindly and gently tell him to read the whole thread so that he can see why they are related, and hopefully he will then understand. (oh, wait, I guess I just told him. ![]() (edit: save your hitting for a really egregious offense, like mixing up the forums) ![]() |
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Middle Earth also wouldn't have the modern connotation of "incest". Although after looking over this thread, I would not count it as such. Di
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The Insufferable
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But they DID have a modern connotation of incest. It's just that being twenty generations removed doesn't count.
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I think it's actually closer to sixty generations.
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Elf Lord
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Yes, it's more closer to sixty generations. (I don't think it's an incest.... 60 generations!! )
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Someone said the elves hadn't had a king since Gil-galad at the end of the Second Age. Wrong.
The Noldor hadn't had a king of their own for that long, but the Eldar all way 'round were a different story. The Sindar of Beleriand had not had a king since Dior EluchÃ*l in 505 FA - a few went to Middle-earth and established their own kingdoms. Lórien had kings (Amroth, AmdÃ*r); Thranduil was the Elvenking of Mirkwood. If no other ruler, every elf was under the kingship of Ingwë, High King of ALL Eldar. Back to the topic: Galadriel and Celeborn were closer relation than Arwen and Aragorn. Far closer. They were second cousins. However, anything past first cousins is not incest. Galadriel was the daughter of Finarfin and Eärwen. Eärwen was Olwë's daughter. Celeborn was the son of Galadhon, son of Elmo. Elmo (Celeborn's grandfather) and Olwë (Galadriel's grandfather) were brothers. Still, not incest.
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