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I think Tolkien realized the implications of Galadriel's behaviour as described in the Silm and the first version in UT. He wanted to make her a saint, so he sought to remove her part in the rebellion altogether - "Teleporno" version in UT. |
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09-11-2006, 12:59 PM | #42 |
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How could lie to get into Doriath. If she said "Hay, Thingol. 'ow about greetin' your grand-niece and nethews. Let us in, 'cause we're family, and we're inoccent in the kinslain'," she would be allowed in.
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If that is the case then each ring's specific powers and functions would likely vary according to the materials used, the personality and power of the maker. I think it doubtful that Sauron stood over each elf's shoulder and actively participated in the making of any of the rings. It's more believable that when he taught the elves how to make the rings of power he would have left something out that left the rings vulnerable to being ensnared by a spell fueled by the One once he had made it. A possible reason that the elves didn't destory the rings, but chose to hide them is that they may have intended to later 'edit' their works by withdrawing the power they had placed in them, cleansing them of Sauron's influence and then making them powerful again and better shielded. Except that they didn't plan on being killed off in the fall of Eregion and having their works captured.
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09-12-2006, 12:16 PM | #44 |
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Yeah.....it's almost like "i'll show you how to make one"*shows them*"ok, off you go. i'll help you as needed."
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Here I´m answering to jammi567´s essay abut the Rings of power. Now, I won´t argue about the origins of the Rings, for it must have been a year or so when I last read the Silmarillion properly. But, the seven did not have the corrupting power of the nine, but a horrible curse: the dwarves would gain wondrous treasures, but they were cursed to lose them either into dragons flames or orcs. A dwarven-nightmare-come-true, eh? And they didn´t make people invisible. The only reason why the One made people invisible was that it showed what will eventually happen to the bearer: he/she will pass into the Shadowworld (Aragorn:"He is passing into the Shadowworld. He will soon become a wraith like them."). Neither did the nine do invisibility. To answer this question of yours about how Sauron gained ctrl over the 7 and 9, didn´t you know that he indeed helped the elves make those rings? They could never have done them on their own, but then again, nor could Sauron have (apart from the One). Then, why didn´t they (the elves) destroy the 3? Perhaps they thought that, even if they were destroyed, Sauron still had his own, and since he had never touched the three, what´s the point to destroy them? By the way, I hope this is good english enough, for I´m from Finland.
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They COULD walk. But the 9 did not automatically make them invisible. And why Sauron could not curse the 7?
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As Landroval said above, the nine and the seven were the same. But the dwarves were uneffected by the curruptive power of the seven, so it worked in other ways. But it's definatly not a curse.
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12-16-2006, 06:10 AM | #49 |
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as i understand it all the rings, and certainly the sets of rings were different.
You are right to say that the dwarves as a race were by far less influenced or susceptible to the influence of the seven than mortal man were to the nine. It's an interesting idea, the idea the rings may have had a curse. certainly sounds like sauron. Dwarves as a race have greeed in their hearts, even the more noble ones. It hardly needed a ring to awaken those desires. |
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12-21-2006, 12:26 PM | #51 |
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Let´s say it was a passive curse shall we?
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