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I felt when I saw the movie that we're jumping fro one action scene to another, and my frinds didn't get what's going on there (didn't read the books). It supposed to be an action movie, but it can't be only action. (when I say only action I mean to TTT. FOTR was more 'calm' - but still...) [edit - SGH, they're goping to tell you they're brothers in a house with one computer ] Last edited by Radagast The Brown : 11-04-2003 at 04:48 PM. |
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Or better: who thinks Thanduil, Cassius, and GenX, are BB?
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heh, heh me too, JD.
Is it possible these are friends of BB's offspring? As far as the topic goes, the action is drawn directly from the book, except some of the pointless add-ins like the warg attack and the two dwarf tossing debacles. The problem arises when action is translated from text to screen. It is one thing to say the battle raged through the night and another to show it. It may be that too much was included in the action scenes making them drag on like a Charlie's Angels sequel. There is an undeniable tilt towards action at the expense of all else. If it was to be just an action flick it would have been much shorter. It is the inclusion of some of the Tolkienish aspects that makes the movies so long. Those aspects, however, are what the bulk of the audiences came to see. Otherwise it would just be another PotC. Entertaining but not cult-worthy.
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My opinions aren't even all the same to BB's, as far as I know. I'm not sure but I thought I read that BB thought the movies were better than the books. I'm not sure if that is accurate, but I love the books, much more than the movies. All I have said is that the movies are enjoyable. Yes I like the movies. But BB would not change his opinion under any circumstance, even under another id. As far as I can guess.
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11-04-2003, 07:38 PM | #52 |
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Okay, enough. Nomatter if BB is 20 other posters, everyone back on topic. I could have really cared less, until BB made his little remark, but this is not the place to bicker over such silliness. Get back on topic or this thread will be closed.
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11-04-2003, 08:37 PM | #53 |
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Jeez people, does the word paranoid ring a bell. "Oh no, more than one person has a different opinion than I do? Heaven Forbid! I do not control everybodies opinion!" Not to mention that we are way way way off the subject by now.
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Back on the subject
Now, moving on. If you will remember, the witch king of angmar was forcibly driven out of the north, don't you think that he would have put up a fight to protect himself? And did he send an orc to kill Eowyn? Would he have just stood and let Gandalf wollup him at the gates of Gondor? Just making a point that the nazgul would have to have some fighting skills to make a lot of orcs and other less-than-savory creatures obey their commands. The nazgul you describe sound more like the mouth of sauron who runs from the field as soon as the fighting is about to start.
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Funny - BB - everyone thought you were an adult - I guess they were wrong.
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I don't really know whether LoTR can be defined as a typical action movie. From my experience most action movies only have a plot as an excuse to film so many minutes of people hitting and shooting eachother and breaking things. Though I agree with Cirdan that LoTR has an undeniable tilt towards action. In regard of the TTT-movie that stands to reason I suppose, the book has many fights: Éomer's battle with the orcs, Helm's Deep, the fight at Isengard and such. Yet personally, I think some action scenes were rather overdone.
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When people talk about the overdone action scenes, they point to Helm's Deep and say "it was only one small chapter in the book."
Jackson was making a film that had neither a beginning or an ending. He decided, rightly so, that Helm's Deep was the centerpiece for The Two Towers and the perfect climax to Chapter II. Was he right? Did he succeed? Well, an Academy Award nomination for Best Picture and 800 million-plus in world ticket sales would certainly seem to indicate so. Given the circumstances surrounding this "middle" film of the trilogy, Jackson's success with TTT is nothing short of mindboggling. |
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Nope. The Shelob's lair chapter is a far better cliff-hanger ending. It wouldn't have fit with the battle scene but then much will be cut out for the TWO battle scenes of RotK. Helm's Deep was just a bit long for my taste. But that is not the point. It is different than a pure action film but that does not mean that the action was not overblown at times.
Maybe it would have actually won the oscar if the editing had been better. Hmm... and ticket sales. I guess spiderman is a classic, too. Your mind must be easily boggled as neither point addresses whether or not it is an action film. Action films win oscars (Gladiator, Braveheart) and sell tickets (take your pick).
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