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03-04-2002, 12:08 PM | #41 |
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An eagle or two flying toward Mordor would have caused quite a hubbub, I'd think. Sauron would realize something was awry, somehow.
The Eagles were under Manwe himself, and he sends them only when he sees fit. Well, I think we can assume that, since it's not directly mentioned. The Silmarillion didn't mention whether or not the Valar were cognizant of the predicament Middle-Earth was in, but I think they were, especially Manwe. In other words, I think it makes perfect sense that the Eagles weren't sent... oh, and there would have only been maybe one book. Not cool. Uncool, even.
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A thought just struck me (auw) and I'll probably be branded as an heretic for this. But did it never cross your mind that Tolkien just didn't want to use the eagles because it would be cheap? Or that perhaps he decided to draw a paralel to the Hobbit where the eagles came soaring in at the end just to save the day? *hides quickly under her computer*
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03-04-2002, 05:08 PM | #44 |
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Actually, that's been alluded to several times... it would have made for a quick, rather uneventful story. However, I think there are plenty of good reasons for not having the Eagles just swoop them to Orodruin, as aforementioned.
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03-04-2002, 08:57 PM | #45 |
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Yes, I think the eagles, like the istari, were just here to help in direst (is that even a word?) need and were not supposed to intervene unless absolutely necessary.
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03-05-2002, 01:15 AM | #46 |
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Maybe they were afraid the Eagles would be lured by the power of the Ring and try to seize it themselves.
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03-05-2002, 06:55 AM | #47 | |
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But anyways, if I really did say that, here's what I meant: The Lord of the Rings is not based in an alternate universe, this is most definitely correct. But if you go and pull a "What-if?" then it's not really the same universe anymore, is it, because the What-If never happened in reality. Wouldn't that be true, or am I being an [COUGH] idiot [/COUGH] newbie again?
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03-05-2002, 01:27 PM | #48 |
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03-06-2002, 08:51 PM | #49 |
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Hey there I'm new on this thread.
I don't think the Eagles could have done it because it would have been even harder. Especially if the King of the Nazgul got on his flying horse thingy and started flying at them. You don't think sauron had a command of flying thing a ma bobs. He would have found them, killed them, Sauron gets ring everyone in world dead. Also there would be no plot we would have a book the size of the size of the hobbit and noone would read it. I think that if they hadn't gone through all the adventure the races wouldn't have started forming bonds like the dwarves and elves and the hobbits with everyone else. Later, Thrain
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08-05-2014, 09:17 AM | #50 |
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Here is an interesting idea I'd never considered.
http://www.tickld.com/x/this-guy-jus...ngs-mind-blown It's an argument that Gandalf secretly planned all along for the Eagles to take them to Mordor, but the secret died with him in Moria. "Fly you fools" was a last-minute attempt to inform the Fellowship of his plan. Clearly, the author wrote this argument based on the movies. It is Aragorn, not Gandalf who is hesitant to travel through Moria in the book. Also, I can't imagine why Gandalf wouldn't inform Aragorn at the very least of the real plan. Can anyone point to more evidence for or against this theory based on material in the books or movies?
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08-08-2014, 02:34 PM | #52 |
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I am confident that Sauron, who was fully aware of the Eagles, and more so, the innumerable flying creatures available to Rhadagst as spies, had stout air defenses available for Mordor, which would defeat flying animal incursions, and that it was not practical to penetrate his airpace with creatures armored only with feathers until after his power was destroyed.
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08-09-2014, 08:23 PM | #53 |
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You know, part of the reason might be the Mordor Special Mission Flying Corps (MSMFC). We don’t know a lot about them, but Tolkien did design an emblem for them (published in Tolkien: Artist and Illustrator). The Nazgûl were probably part of the MSMFC, but perhaps there were other units as well. Part of their mission might well have been to prevent the Eagles of the Misty Mountains, who were descendents of Manwë’s servant Thorondor (of the First Age), from spying out his territory.
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10-04-2014, 08:09 AM | #54 |
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Whoever was picked to carry The Ring wouldn't be any more able to destroy it than Frodo or Isildur did. That's why Gollum is crucial to the story.
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We had a thread awhile back about whether Eagles could be corrupted. I wonder whether the Council would have known the answer to that question? http://entmoot.tolkientrail.com/show...gles+corrupted
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