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Now today - if it happens in the US or anywhere else - people can talk about it with people who live 6000 miles away - like we're doing right now on entmoot. The Internet has made the world a much smaller place - much smaller than planes or telephone in my opinion. I guess I'm still amazed at the internet and how it has enabled people to talk from all over the world like this (even if we don't always agree). It's also amazing that we're only celebrating the 100th anniversary of the first air flight - the Wright Brothers.
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Much better put, JD. I am also in awe of the 'Net. It first arrived in our local shores when I first started teaching back in 1993. It amazes me how I was able to live without it. It is preciouss to me.
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No, I repeat--the space program is not a total waste. What concerns me is the amount spent versus the benefits. Shouldn't we spend such time and money/resources on fixing what we already have before seeking something else? I, personally, am against the war on Iraq (unless of course weapons of MD are found etc...) and I am against blood-sucking SUVs and ridiculously overpriced brand names, just for the record.
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Today is a very sad day indeed. Just the other day in SS class, we were talkign about how rarely shuttle launchings make the front page news. I said that I wished they still would.
Now I am very soory I said that. This did make the front page news, but it is a teriible tragedy...
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I'm very upset today about this tragedy. I feel very strongly about the space program and am very sad at all such tragedies.
I hope they learn from this disaster, like they learnt from the Apollo 1 and Challenger accidents. The space program is worth it - research is being done on the ISS which will, hopefully, benefit people in the future. I can't think of anything more exciting that exploring new worlds, and I hope one day we will sent Man to Mars. We should learn from our mistakes, but we must remember that everybody - NASA, the astronauts, thier families - knew the risks involved, and decided it was worth it. It will happen again in the future, but we must move forward and continue.
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02-02-2003, 12:57 AM | #49 |
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this is sooo sad, imagine being so happy that your spouse/son/daughter? is going to come home in 16 minutes, then they're not there. I found out after this math thing at 12:00, and it was horrible
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Didn't have a chance to watch the news yesterday and saw this thread just now. I'm sorry for everyone involved.
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Yes, I just found out today, too. I remember Columbia's first flight: it was very significant. The space program had seemed to be in the doldrums after the big Apollo missions, and not everybody was thrilled with this new-fangled shuttle program or sure that it would work.
And then Columbia, like a graceful, magic bird, touched down safely. Everybody was watching that first landing, amazed by it, hoping nothing bad would happen...and it didn't. Wonderful! That really convinced everybody this would work. And so it comes to this. Yet it still works. What's so hard to remember is that, this technology is so new, there really isn't any other 100% sure way to tell what are the practical limitations. Of course, we don't want such 100% surety, but we have to keep in mind that computer modeling only goes so far. There can't yet be any guarantees of safety all the time for those involved in the program.
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I like what Reagan said in 1986 after the Challenger disaster:
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It seems everyone remembers what they were doing on 9/11... who will remember where they were when the Columbia was ripped apart.
I for one had just woken at my friends house, we lit fireworks in honor of the dead astronauts
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when i heard what happened on 9/11 i was at school in chapel and the person who was giving the chapel talk told everyone about it. when Columbia broke apart i was turning on the TV to watch cartoons and i though all the news was about it landing,then i watched it and realized what really happened.
i heard last night they found some body remains,a helmet, and a patch. i haven't heard anymore about it since though.
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i heard about columbia around 12:00 at a stupid math thing
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The space program is a long-term investment. The modern space program reminds me of the early days when first the Portuguese launched their own sea exploration program in the early XV century (it was an organized program, with a exclusively dedicated naval base at cape Sagres, and a mariners and cartographers school). The main goals were the discovery of new lands and a sea route to India in search of valuable spices. It took most of the century to achieve that last objective, and during that time the program had little or no profit to show but the invaluable knowledge it was being acquired. In the end, persistence opened the World for exploration and, for better and worse, colonization, aiding to create the world we know.
I believe that is the spirit of those that now open the road to the stars. They are just in the beginning, learning how to navigate in a new, vast ocean. It is not to be expected immediate profits, but the nation that resolutely undertakes such road will help change Humanity’s future.
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Israel's firstastronaut. How great is that for Israel's self esteem and future space participation!
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I also take IRex's point that scrimping and saving may be found to be the culprit here (tho' cynics might doubt NASA saying "if only we had been given more money..." as an excuse) Personally, I doubt the cost-benefit ratio of a Mars expedition; it's good for the ratings, and puts Bush in the same camp as Kennedy, but not much else. It's a sad fact that the Shuttle programme is not covered in the media until something goes wrong. Also, I don't see how going to Mars is going to lead to more money for the Shuttle; if anything, it'll divert funds away from it. Last edited by Dunadan : 02-03-2003 at 12:43 PM. |
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