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You're missing the point. The movie is based on the comic. It is a rendition directly from that. It's not supposed to be some accurate historical drama. It's an adaption from the comic (in much the same way as Sin City was adapted from the graphic novel, or V for Vendetta). That's all I'm sayin'. So for those who are complaining that it's not factual or whatever, it doesn't matter. It's an adaption from a comic. Point period polka-dot. The caveat of course, is that the comic is based somewhat on historical fact. But that is neither here nor there, since the purpose of the movie is to adapt from the comic.
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My my, some people just get really worked up over this movie, don't they?
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Fair enough. Keep in mind though, that historical accounts (primary OR secondary) are just that... accounts. They, too, are an interpretation of the past in much the same way as historical-based movies. The only way you're gonna get actual historical representation, is if you travel back in time and watch it yerself, and even then, you'll be interpreting with yer own POVs.
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04-09-2007, 03:10 PM | #45 |
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I wouldn't criticize the movie for historical inaccuracy. If anything it's the comic that such a comment should be directed toward. (yes, comments directed at inanimate objects are always fun.) That said, a lot of great stories are based more and more loosely on actual events. History becomes legend becomes myth or fairy tale or whatever. It's entertainment.
I do think the dialog of the movie was terrible. I don't know how much of it came from the comic directly but it was horribly, horribly cheesy. Also I think there was too much of the same sort of fighting scenes without interruption. I would've liked more variety. One of the reasons I prefer Sin City. |
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Does anyone know where I can find the graphic novel?
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04-09-2007, 08:32 PM | #47 |
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I bought it at a used book store. If you have any around you, I'd go there, or any decent comic book place. Anywhere that has Sin City, will likely also have 300.
If both of those places are misses, then try looking on line, on places like Ebay or Amazon.
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04-09-2007, 08:40 PM | #48 |
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Thank you, Shah. I'll check them out
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Well, first of all, the comic is more historically accurate then the movie. So they could have just based it whole heartedly on the comic and it would have been a better film(still not THAT good, though). Second of all, I wouldn't try to pull it off making the comic. That's what my first post was all about in the first place. I said I wouldn't base it on fictional accounts(the comic), and you question then how I would propose to base it on fictional accounts? Maybe...I wouldn't? Quote:
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I don't really think it matters that much if we know exactly what happened 283973829 million years ago. The important thing about studying history is the major themes and ideas. It doesn't really matter that much if it's true or not, I don't think.
Granted some stories are far more interesting the way they actually happened. No comment on whether this applies to 300 though- I didn't really care about the plot of it so much as the visuals. |
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[QUOTE=katya]I don't really think it matters that much if we know exactly what happened 283973829 million years ago. The important thing about studying history is the major themes and ideas. It doesn't really matter that much if it's true or not, I don't think.[QUOTE]
What's the use of studying the themes and ideas of the past if they aren't true? Then you just have a bunch of ideas that you can't apply to anything because they weren't gathered empirically and therefor aren't valid. Besides, it was a little over two thousand years ago, not "283973829 million years ago". And if it doesn't matter if we know what happened, why bother making a movie about it? Quote:
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I am amazed at how you could spend 3 whole pages talking about this overated idiotic slummy sluk. (my new word for something I dislike)
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Well there are worst things to talk about on this board, ED
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Well then, judging from what i've read, i'll no longer watch Hellboy because it is loosely based off of a comic that purports that demons and magic were behind WWII and the Nazi Regime...
Forget about any and all Arthurian legend, Homer, Virgil, Norse epics, the Bible, the Koran, the Vedas, you name it. When it comes down to it, all history we have is merely stories. Stories. So why not make it more appealing to the current audience? I doubt each time Homer told the Iliad he used the same words. They were only written once, though.
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"All history we have is merely stories. Stories. So why not make it more appleaing to the current audience?". I'm not even going to bother replying to that. I've already talked about my feelings on that sort of attitude on earlier posts. Why should I repeat them? Last edited by D.Sullivan : 04-12-2007 at 08:56 PM. |
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alright then, let's just completely gloss over the point and reply to the jokes...that makes sense...
point: the only history we have of events in ancient greece, example: trojan war, are stories. stories that the original storytellers (not historians) most certainly spiced up. example: i doubt that say, Odysseus really went to the land of the dead, or that Achilles was truly invincible (probably just had nice armor, from what i hear ) therefore, it is unfair to say that the movie "didn't follow the facts accurately enough" or some such comment, it's simply someone else's rendition of a story. centuries from now, graphic holograms will be made about, say, custard's last stand, and i'd bet my last dollar it wouldn't be "historically accurate", even though now we actually do have historians. and even with that, what they write down depends on what side they favor and who wins. again, stories. nothing in the history books is 100% fact. and now, i'm going to bed, because this is all a waste of time anyway, because it's just a movie, and i've just wasted precious minutes of sleep i'll never get back...sigh....
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I agree. This is a waste of time. But only because every point you made has already been made by someone earlier on in the converstation, and are points I've already replied to. You can try backtracking if you want to know what my reply would be. |
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