Return of the King - Page 3

Arathorn · 01-13-2003, 11:41 AM

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Originally posted by RosieCotton
Me too! I definitely agree. The ending is really bittersweet, but I can't think of a better way to end it. I think that ending would be better than if Frodo, Sam, Merry, and Pippin just waltzed into the Shire and they all lived happily ever after until the end of their days.

Rosie

BTW, Have you read appendix B of ROTK? It is a chronology of what happens after the end of ROTK proper and what happens to Sam, Merry, Pippin, Aragorn, and Faramir. Pull out your hankies...

Elf Girl · 01-13-2003, 04:25 PM

I think the ending is very good, of a piece with the rest of the books.

Gwaimir Windgem · 01-13-2003, 07:39 PM

The ending of LotR is (at least) one of the best endings I've ever read in a book. In my opinion, sacrifice adds an enormous element to a story, and makes it much, much better.

RosieCotton · 01-14-2003, 11:11 AM

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Originally posted by Arathorn
BTW, Have you read appendix B of ROTK? It is a chronology of what happens after the end of ROTK proper and what happens to Sam, Merry, Pippin, Aragorn, and Faramir. Pull out your hankies...

Yes, I have, and thank goodness that was there! I loved the end of the story, with "Well, I'm back," but I think that reading the appendix gave more of a closure. Sort of like in movies when they end it, but then they bring up text on the screen to say what happened to all of the characters.

Rosie

Renille · 01-14-2003, 06:48 PM

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Originally posted by Elf Girl
Shh, people are looking at this that haven't finished.

Ooops.Sorry. But I assumed as this whole thread was about the ending, I didn't have to worry about the silly spoiler thread.

No one read my 1st post if you haven't read the book!

Eothain · 01-17-2003, 04:09 PM

I totally agree with you.

samwiselvr2008 · 01-17-2003, 04:34 PM

I love the ending of the series, it is sad, but it isn't depressing, just sad. The only depressing part is that it is over with. Done. No more of the "main" series to read. And then you want to read it agian. So you do. And agian. And then you start The Sil., and so it isn't to bad after all, there is still more to read, just not from that part of the History of ME, other then the apendix, that was written by Tolkien.

ElfFriend · 01-18-2003, 04:00 PM

Did NE1 else notice that Beregond dies in the war of the ring and then comes back to life in the end of the book

Elf Girl · 01-18-2003, 04:27 PM

What? Beregon didn't die, did he?

Elvedans · 01-18-2003, 04:30 PM

Beregond does NOT die. He spends most of the war defending Faramir after Denethor's madness.

***Earniel*** · 01-18-2003, 04:56 PM

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Originally posted by ElfFriend
Did NE1 else notice that Beregond dies in the war of the ring and then comes back to life in the end of the book

I don't remember him dying... When was that?

Elf Girl · 01-18-2003, 05:02 PM

Can you clarify, ElfFriend? It seems several people don't believe you...

Dúnedain · 01-18-2003, 05:55 PM

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Originally posted by ElfFriend
Did NE1 else notice that Beregond dies in the war of the ring and then comes back to life in the end of the book

I think he might mean when Pippin and Beregond are attacked in front of the Black Gate, this is what is written in that chapter:

"Like a storm they broke upon the line of the men of Gondor, and beat upon helm and head, and arm and shield, as smiths hewing the hot bending iron. At Pippin's side Beregond was stunned and overborne, and he fell; and the great troll-chief that smote him down bent over him, reaching out a clutching claw; for these fell creatures would bite the throats of those that they threw down.

Then Pippin stabbed upwards, and the written blade of Westernesse pierced through the hide and went deep into the vitals of the troll, and his black blood came gushing out. He toppled forward and came crashing down like a falling rock, burying those beneath him. Blackness and stench and crushing pain came upon Pippin, and his mind fell away into a great darkness."

That is from Return of the King, the chapter "The Black Gate Opens" that part is on the last page of the chapter.

When I first read that I thought they both died, I mean when it says "and the great troll-chief that smote him down" sounds like death to me, however I was pleasantly surprised later on

Snowdog · 02-10-2003, 12:38 PM

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"Like a storm they broke upon the line of the men of Gondor, and beat upon helm and head, and arm and shield, as smiths hewing the hot bending iron. At Pippin's side Beregond was stunned and overborne, and he fell; and the great troll-chief that smote him down bent over him, reaching out a clutching claw; for these fell creatures would bite the throats of those that they threw down.

Then Pippin stabbed upwards, and the written blade of Westernesse pierced through the hide and went deep into the vitals of the troll, and his black blood came gushing out. He toppled forward and came crashing down like a falling rock, burying those beneath him. Blackness and stench and crushing pain came upon Pippin, and his mind fell away into a great darkness."

I remember when I read this part of Return of the King I thought Pippen bought it under the Troll to for a bit.

I dont remember Beregond getting killed. I do remember he in the thick of the battle.

The Lady of the Wood · 02-11-2003, 08:31 PM

i loved em, but i also thought the ending was kinda sad and kinda happy.ive read it twice, too

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All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost,
The old that are strong do not wither,
Deep roots are not reached by the frost.
From ashes a fire shall be woken,
A light from the shadows shall spring!
Renewed shall be blade that was broken,
The crownless again shall be King!

Òevil will always triumph, because good is dumb.Ó

-darth helmet

donÕt count on me to let you know when.donÕt count on me, ill do it again. dont count on me, the point youre missing, donÕt count on me, cause im not listening.

Òyou insult me with your presenceÓ

Dúnedain · 02-11-2003, 08:56 PM

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Originally posted by Snowdog
I dont remember Beregond getting killed. I do remember he in the thick of the battle.

He doesn't get killed, he fell with Pippin and they found them later. He is later appointed as a soldier under Faramir in Ithilien...

Gamigar · 03-15-2003, 04:09 PM

yah. the ending was pretty sad. i never actually wanted it to end.

Elvedans · 03-15-2003, 06:06 PM

The end of ROTK leaves me feeling heartbroken and desolate and wanting the old days to come back when middle earth was filled with elves and i am torn apart by the reluctance to read it and make myself cry and the feeling that i have to read it otherwise the story will be incomplete, which is even worse. It is very bitter-sweet, which i think sums up the whole feeling of middle earth.

Linaewen · 03-21-2003, 07:13 AM

I LOVED the ending. It's magnificent. Personally, i love both bittersweet and happy endings. If a 'sad' ending is done so well that there would be no better alternative, then i like it better than a happier ending. I don't know about anyone else, but I can't imagine LotR having a different ending and still maintaining the quality the original has. Though, it's probably just me.

Elvedans · 03-21-2003, 04:53 PM

I wouldn't want a different ending, it suits the book perfectly. Anyway, tolkien couldn't help it because he was only telling us what really happened.

01-13-2003, 04:25 PM	#42
Elf Girl Lurker Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Lothlórien Posts: 3,419	I think the ending is very good, of a piece with the rest of the books. __________________ There's antimony, arsenic, aluminum, selenium...

01-13-2003, 07:39 PM	#43
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	The ending of LotR is (at least) one of the best endings I've ever read in a book. In my opinion, sacrifice adds an enormous element to a story, and makes it much, much better. __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle

01-17-2003, 04:09 PM	#46
Eothain Enting Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 73	LOTR I totally agree with you. __________________ Where now the horse and the rider? Where is the horn that was blowing? Where is the helm and the hauberk, and the bright hair flowing? Where is the hand on the harpsting, and the red fire glowing? Where is the spring and the harvest and the tall corn growing? They have past like rain on the mountain, like a wind in the meadow; The days have gone down in the West behind the hills into shadow. Who shall gather the smoke of the dead wood burning, or behold the flowing years from the Sea returning? Frodo lives

01-17-2003, 04:34 PM	#47
samwiselvr2008 Elf Lord Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Hobbiton Posts: 739	I love the ending of the series, it is sad, but it isn't depressing, just sad. The only depressing part is that it is over with. Done. No more of the "main" series to read. And then you want to read it agian. So you do. And agian. And then you start The Sil., and so it isn't to bad after all, there is still more to read, just not from that part of the History of ME, other then the apendix, that was written by Tolkien. __________________ Jesus loves you! Movie vewing count from the theater: Return of the King:9 Two Towers: 11 Fellowship: 13 FRODO LIVES!

01-18-2003, 04:27 PM	#49
Elf Girl Lurker Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Lothlórien Posts: 3,419	What? Beregon didn't die, did he? __________________ There's antimony, arsenic, aluminum, selenium...

01-18-2003, 04:00 PM	#48
ElfFriend Sapling Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Viggo's bedroom...opps! Posts: 6	Did NE1 else notice that Beregond dies in the war of the ring and then comes back to life in the end of the book

01-18-2003, 04:30 PM	#50
Elvedans Diamond Of The Night Sky Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Old London Town (Well somewhere near there) Posts: 366	Beregond does NOT die. He spends most of the war defending Faramir after Denethor's madness. __________________ I see a little silhouetto of a man. Scaramouche scaramouche will you do the fandango? Thunderbolts and Lightning, very very frightening me!

01-18-2003, 05:02 PM	#52
Elf Girl Lurker Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Lothlórien Posts: 3,419	Can you clarify, ElfFriend? It seems several people don't believe you... __________________ There's antimony, arsenic, aluminum, selenium...

03-15-2003, 04:09 PM	#57
Gamigar Elven Warrior Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: somewhere between here and there Posts: 116	yah. the ending was pretty sad. i never actually wanted it to end.

03-15-2003, 06:06 PM	#58
Elvedans Diamond Of The Night Sky Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Old London Town (Well somewhere near there) Posts: 366	The end of ROTK leaves me feeling heartbroken and desolate and wanting the old days to come back when middle earth was filled with elves and i am torn apart by the reluctance to read it and make myself cry and the feeling that i have to read it otherwise the story will be incomplete, which is even worse. It is very bitter-sweet, which i think sums up the whole feeling of middle earth. __________________ I see a little silhouetto of a man. Scaramouche scaramouche will you do the fandango? Thunderbolts and Lightning, very very frightening me!

03-21-2003, 07:13 AM	#59
Linaewen Fair Dinkum Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 2,319	I LOVED the ending. It's magnificent. Personally, i love both bittersweet and happy endings. If a 'sad' ending is done so well that there would be no better alternative, then i like it better than a happier ending. I don't know about anyone else, but I can't imagine LotR having a different ending and still maintaining the quality the original has. Though, it's probably just me.

03-21-2003, 04:53 PM	#60
Elvedans Diamond Of The Night Sky Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Old London Town (Well somewhere near there) Posts: 366	I wouldn't want a different ending, it suits the book perfectly. Anyway, tolkien couldn't help it because he was only telling us what really happened. __________________ I see a little silhouetto of a man. Scaramouche scaramouche will you do the fandango? Thunderbolts and Lightning, very very frightening me!

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